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Jack Everly's avatar

Amazing post as usual, very inspiring.

I would love, however, to look at the heart of the real problem, and that is the “hubristic anthropocentric cultures” you mention.

I will speak of one and that is the great [droop] Western Civ. There is no better model for hubristic anthropocentric cultures, and there is a very good reason for that.

Western Civ was molded and bred to be selfish, to hunt without gratitude, take without replenishing. There is an inherently destructive core built into the genes of Western Civ., and you cannot debate it away. All of the often forgotten, indigenous cultures you mentioned are glorious models for what we could be as a species, yet what happened to most (all?) of these cultures upon contact with our glorious way of life?

For a better description of what I’m getting at, let’s go back to Gilgamesh.

I believe his journey did not lead to Lebanon (although the conclusions were insightful!) because he certainly travelled over (seven? I believe?) mountain ranges to get there. This route reflects the travels every great Sumerian city-state took on their journey towards empire-hood, and they always terminated in the Anatolian/Armenian highlands, as that was where the resources were. The resources were needed to fund and fuel campaigns. Gilgamesh himself is chided by the alewife Siduri, and that can only mean he’s in the northern mountains (with good reason): “Siduri” is a word/name still used in the Caucasian languages to describe a young woman.

Makes sense to be there, though-the region is volcanic, meaning everything from gemstones to obsidian to our first $$$crop-wheat- flourished here.

Back then the region also sported extensive forests, as proven by core samples taken from Lake Van.

They’re all gone now.

That’s what runaway train metallurgy will give you, as the ovens that made the spears that won or lost campaigns needed to be stoked.

If we can prove we can live in peace, then I’ll accept that we can steward 😬forests responsibly.

Since we’re volcanic at heart, though, I don’t see that happening soon. I’m simply arguing that we need to accept the destructive gene we carry with us, as long as we refuse to let go of our “superior” way of life.

That being said, however, without this egregious character flaw to contend with, you’ve offered great ideas and suggestions that point us in a far more constructive direction, and I thank you for it.

Cheerio's avatar

Definitely a question I ask all the time.

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