I vote to scrap the whole thing. My reasoning stems from having lived 80 years and seeing good ideas being hi-jacked and used for nefarious purposes, like the environmental movement that was filled with people who were genuine in their desire not to let the rampant damage of eco-systems carry on in the name of pure profit, like drag net fishing, opencast mining, careless oil spills, clearcutting of old forests and so on, not to mention things like free electricity, according to some Tesla would have given the world? Anyway, no AI until everyone has been educated intelligently and not been through the government brainwashing establishment, and not until each of us knows how to take responsibility for our own actions and been taught to first do no harm. Not something currently in existence
There's nothing "intelligent" about anything ARTIFICIAL. Just try calling a company to get help with phone service or whatever... I remember when REAL PEOPLE were there to answer calls and it ALWAYS took less time and was rarely a source of EXTREME RAGE and SLAMMING THE PHONE DOWN...
I also think AI is a ploy to further undo our ability to think for ourselves... If you are over 50, or 40, perhaps, you'll notice how nobody has memorized anybody's phone numbers anymore. Nobody knows the address of anything. When I was in my 20's (I'm nearly 64 now), I knew the phone numbers of probably 50 people...
And there's also the added issue of AI actually being "intelligent." It's NOT intelligent. It's fucking machinery. Wires and chips and stuff CANNOT THINK. Kids are being duped and dumbed down and they don't even realize it.
I think computers are FINE, but cell phones GOT TO GO until we can figure out how to have them SAFELY, without giving us cancer just carrying them around! WAKEY WAKEY, my friends. Read "The Invisible Rainbow."
Why create another species? Humanity is not ready. We don't take care of what we have now... we stand by and allow destruction of the soil, the oceans, the skies and other life all bcuz we are too distracted in our daily lives to take action. Furthermore, there are way too many of the human species who are greedy, self absorbed, violent, contemptuous, and outwardly encourage degenerate behavior. Before we add other intelligence on this planet, shouldn't we first bring our own species to a peaceful and wise level of living? Shouldn't we learn how to treat all the species that are already on this earth and the earth itself with the dignity, respect, caring and compassion they so clearly deserve.
I think of "species" as being created by OUR creator, not by us, and not some machinery. A "species" is NATURAL, in my view. I'm not a believer in, nor a promoter of, machines being some kind of "living" beings... This may seem silly to you, but it's HUGE to me, whether something is a living being or a machine makes a HUGE difference! It's ALL the difference, doncha think?
It doesn't seem silly at all. I agree that God originally made all species that inhabited this planet and that humans have opened a Pandora's box with the creation of humanoid looking beings but sadly humans HAVE begun creating species (for example they have created a species of mosquito that lives underground and while it feeds on mammals it does not require a blood meal before laying eggs). And sadder, scientists have created several chimeric animals (mosaics of cells of different species, such as the goat-sheep blend called a geep) by adding stem cells from one species to the embryo of another. In fact, scientists are now capable of creating new species of animals by taking genetic material from one, or more, plants or animals, and genetically engineering them into the genes of another animal. So while i think human beings should stop doing this and leave creation to the Creator, they are nonetheless messing with creating species. And lately, whether we agree or not,they are trying to combine the human and computer.
Well, first of all, I didn't say anything about "God." And second, I would suggest that you be very careful about what you believe, just because you've read or heard something somewhere. There is a HUGE difference between "creating species" and MESSING with species we already have. You want to mess with Nature? Feel free-- But understand that it's folly. We should not underestimate NATURE. It's what EVERYTHING comes from. So, take these claims you seem to be all excited about with a few grains of salt... That's my advice.
Nope you said Creator but for me, i know God as Creator. As far as the rest goes, thx for the advice. I hope we can agree to respect that each other has their own perspective and leave it at that. I am not looking to change your perspective and i can say with certainty that a social media comment is not likely to change mine.
I believe that humanity should continue developing AI and integrating it into our modern industrial society, but this should be done under strict government oversight, so that in the end we have a 'safe and effective' AI, not an autonomous one, that acts under human orders.
A problem would be how to effectively implement this 'strict oversight':
* Who supervises the supervisors?
* Governments can be corrupt or inefficient
* There is a risk of it being used for population control
* Large corporations often have more power than states
* The dilemma of regulation:
* Too strict could hinder beneficial advances
* Too lax could allow dangerous developments
* Need to balance innovation and security
* The technical challenge:
* The speed of development vs. bureaucratic slowness
* Technical complexity makes effective oversight difficult
* Can regulators really understand what they are overseeing?
* The international dimension:
* Need for global agreements
* Competition between countries could lead to an AI "arms race"
* Different values and priorities between cultures
OTHER - "If it were up to me..." this is akin to asking the same question about electricity, robots, the internet, telecommunications, etc. Technology has finally been freed to be creative for use by many races, nations, companies, universities and so on, as sort of a great equalizer. The fear of misuse doesn't lie with the technology but with the nature of man himself. A hammer or knife is dangerous in the hands of person with evil intent. That said, the United States is leading the world in implementation of AI, primarily due to our government/capitalism model, and that's a good thing! Take AI a step further and you might see characteristics of an advanced civilization: one that uses electrogalvitics as a means for travel, telekinesis, psychic ability and med beds to name a few of the things Hollywood has portrayed as the 'future.' The future can be scary as when native islanders first saw visitors from the sky (in a plane) or when native indians saw Cortes and his men on horses - they were perceived as 'gods.' Our best bet is to study history and understand that it is "man" that made wars, caused destruction of cities, and misused tools and technology throughout the ages. It would appear the education system, family structure (lack thereof of) and governance has failed to instill accountability and prevent evil/criminal intent...not the advancement of technology. For those who think technology is 'bad', try living without your phone, electricity, running water, your vehicle, local stores/restaurants for a day.
Like almost all technology, it's out of reach, creates more problems than it solves, produces nothing of real value, and has no place in a natural society.
Currently, the people and companies and governments developing AI do not have the level of consciousness needed to develop this technology in a way that does no harm to all on this planet. Technology can do good. Technology can do bad. It all depends on who and what is designing and employing any particular technology.
I would roll back not just AI but electrical power in its entirety. Man made electricity, it seems to be either forgotten or ignored, makes us sick. It is arguably the number one poison we now limp along with. Of course it also allows for the kind of warfare, despoiling of the planet and global panopticon that would otherwise simply be impossible. We managed for hundreds of thousands of years without it and on the whole were a far happier, healthier species.
Artificial intelligence is Artificial--it only provides answers according to it's programmers' skill and agendas. I would outlaw it for any human tasks that require insight, human judgment, wisdom, compassion, etc., and relegate it completely to simple counting tasks that do not require judgement. The environmental costs far outweigh any contributions to efficiency, and social justice. So given all of these, on second thought, I would just scrap it entirely.. See Kate Crawford's excellent book, Atlas of AI.
While I'm probably more a staunch #1, I also considered a #5 option:
Deploy AI technology to truly benefit humanity (not just the occult cabals). I would have AI systems trained to perfect efficiencies, such as traffic/traffic light/ public transport management for commutes; eliminate useless bureaucracy/management middle-upper class from local, state and federal government; AI health diagnostics filled with suppressed/demonised health options (eg. herbal, homeopathic, acupuncture, chiro, etc); AI home helpers to do the daily chores we loathe; AI off-planet resource acquisition (e.g. asteroid mining). I want to see a world where everyone is living together harmoniously, free of the propaganda apparatus which divides, blinds and creates hostility.
In my system, AI would be utterly banned from: creating art, music, media or literature; war and weapons development; allopathic pharmaceutical product development; genetics
Nothing good can come of it. And there is no intelligence to it. It separates humans from their soul, and requires destroying earth and all life on it, to do it.
A personal, complete voluntary moratorium for five years while we come to OUR SENSES. Artificial intelligence is the online surrender of autonomy that shows up when we LEAVE our senses. Artificial intelligence is all distraction, no sense, all gee whiz.
Even if others will get ahead, let them. It's not ahead if you're not going that way. Search for personal truth. If you're earnest and lucky you'll find the door to consciousness and what surpasses understanding. AI can know nothing of this.
Mike the Health Ranger has a health based Large Labguage model AI to ask natural health questions. Off line. Just download, install and use it. Just go to natural news .com
If AI is going to exist at the scale of societal implementation, it should probably fall within the bitcoin-type framework for governance since its network isn't owned by anyone. However the individual privacy protections should come from the Monero model which is the most private crypto model in existence. Thus protecting individual privacy while keeping large governance models public via the bitcoin blockchain ledger (as an example). The models should be FOSS with cheap and easy to operate nodes that anyone can own. LLMs should be open-sourced. The Linux model would be another good example of open, community-driven development that could apply to LLMs. All of this would ideally operate in a mesh network for internet services that can link individual devices together to provide the mesh and that traffic could operate on the TOR network (as an example) to also protect individual privacy.
I guess if you didn't understand how it works, I could see how it would be easy to be led to that conclusion. Anyone can operate a TOR node. It isn't run by anyone
I vote to scrap the whole thing. My reasoning stems from having lived 80 years and seeing good ideas being hi-jacked and used for nefarious purposes, like the environmental movement that was filled with people who were genuine in their desire not to let the rampant damage of eco-systems carry on in the name of pure profit, like drag net fishing, opencast mining, careless oil spills, clearcutting of old forests and so on, not to mention things like free electricity, according to some Tesla would have given the world? Anyway, no AI until everyone has been educated intelligently and not been through the government brainwashing establishment, and not until each of us knows how to take responsibility for our own actions and been taught to first do no harm. Not something currently in existence
There's nothing "intelligent" about anything ARTIFICIAL. Just try calling a company to get help with phone service or whatever... I remember when REAL PEOPLE were there to answer calls and it ALWAYS took less time and was rarely a source of EXTREME RAGE and SLAMMING THE PHONE DOWN...
I also think AI is a ploy to further undo our ability to think for ourselves... If you are over 50, or 40, perhaps, you'll notice how nobody has memorized anybody's phone numbers anymore. Nobody knows the address of anything. When I was in my 20's (I'm nearly 64 now), I knew the phone numbers of probably 50 people...
And there's also the added issue of AI actually being "intelligent." It's NOT intelligent. It's fucking machinery. Wires and chips and stuff CANNOT THINK. Kids are being duped and dumbed down and they don't even realize it.
I think computers are FINE, but cell phones GOT TO GO until we can figure out how to have them SAFELY, without giving us cancer just carrying them around! WAKEY WAKEY, my friends. Read "The Invisible Rainbow."
Why create another species? Humanity is not ready. We don't take care of what we have now... we stand by and allow destruction of the soil, the oceans, the skies and other life all bcuz we are too distracted in our daily lives to take action. Furthermore, there are way too many of the human species who are greedy, self absorbed, violent, contemptuous, and outwardly encourage degenerate behavior. Before we add other intelligence on this planet, shouldn't we first bring our own species to a peaceful and wise level of living? Shouldn't we learn how to treat all the species that are already on this earth and the earth itself with the dignity, respect, caring and compassion they so clearly deserve.
Species? SPECIES? lol No.
It is interesting... i was told that someone would focus on and jump on that word and you most certainly did not disappoint.
I think of "species" as being created by OUR creator, not by us, and not some machinery. A "species" is NATURAL, in my view. I'm not a believer in, nor a promoter of, machines being some kind of "living" beings... This may seem silly to you, but it's HUGE to me, whether something is a living being or a machine makes a HUGE difference! It's ALL the difference, doncha think?
It doesn't seem silly at all. I agree that God originally made all species that inhabited this planet and that humans have opened a Pandora's box with the creation of humanoid looking beings but sadly humans HAVE begun creating species (for example they have created a species of mosquito that lives underground and while it feeds on mammals it does not require a blood meal before laying eggs). And sadder, scientists have created several chimeric animals (mosaics of cells of different species, such as the goat-sheep blend called a geep) by adding stem cells from one species to the embryo of another. In fact, scientists are now capable of creating new species of animals by taking genetic material from one, or more, plants or animals, and genetically engineering them into the genes of another animal. So while i think human beings should stop doing this and leave creation to the Creator, they are nonetheless messing with creating species. And lately, whether we agree or not,they are trying to combine the human and computer.
Well, first of all, I didn't say anything about "God." And second, I would suggest that you be very careful about what you believe, just because you've read or heard something somewhere. There is a HUGE difference between "creating species" and MESSING with species we already have. You want to mess with Nature? Feel free-- But understand that it's folly. We should not underestimate NATURE. It's what EVERYTHING comes from. So, take these claims you seem to be all excited about with a few grains of salt... That's my advice.
Nope you said Creator but for me, i know God as Creator. As far as the rest goes, thx for the advice. I hope we can agree to respect that each other has their own perspective and leave it at that. I am not looking to change your perspective and i can say with certainty that a social media comment is not likely to change mine.
Thought you might like this podcast on holistic body odor mitigation, for us naturalists trying to be social and not wanting to die for the privilege:
https://soberchristiangentlemanpodcast.substack.com/p/s2-ep-15-holistic-body-odor-mitigation-518
I believe that humanity should continue developing AI and integrating it into our modern industrial society, but this should be done under strict government oversight, so that in the end we have a 'safe and effective' AI, not an autonomous one, that acts under human orders.
A problem would be how to effectively implement this 'strict oversight':
* Who supervises the supervisors?
* Governments can be corrupt or inefficient
* There is a risk of it being used for population control
* Large corporations often have more power than states
* The dilemma of regulation:
* Too strict could hinder beneficial advances
* Too lax could allow dangerous developments
* Need to balance innovation and security
* The technical challenge:
* The speed of development vs. bureaucratic slowness
* Technical complexity makes effective oversight difficult
* Can regulators really understand what they are overseeing?
* The international dimension:
* Need for global agreements
* Competition between countries could lead to an AI "arms race"
* Different values and priorities between cultures
* The human factor:
* Maintaining significant human control
* Avoiding excessive delegation of decisions
* Preserving human autonomy and dignity
Strict govt. oversight?
Who ARE you? A CIA agent????????? fuckin A dude
OTHER - "If it were up to me..." this is akin to asking the same question about electricity, robots, the internet, telecommunications, etc. Technology has finally been freed to be creative for use by many races, nations, companies, universities and so on, as sort of a great equalizer. The fear of misuse doesn't lie with the technology but with the nature of man himself. A hammer or knife is dangerous in the hands of person with evil intent. That said, the United States is leading the world in implementation of AI, primarily due to our government/capitalism model, and that's a good thing! Take AI a step further and you might see characteristics of an advanced civilization: one that uses electrogalvitics as a means for travel, telekinesis, psychic ability and med beds to name a few of the things Hollywood has portrayed as the 'future.' The future can be scary as when native islanders first saw visitors from the sky (in a plane) or when native indians saw Cortes and his men on horses - they were perceived as 'gods.' Our best bet is to study history and understand that it is "man" that made wars, caused destruction of cities, and misused tools and technology throughout the ages. It would appear the education system, family structure (lack thereof of) and governance has failed to instill accountability and prevent evil/criminal intent...not the advancement of technology. For those who think technology is 'bad', try living without your phone, electricity, running water, your vehicle, local stores/restaurants for a day.
Like almost all technology, it's out of reach, creates more problems than it solves, produces nothing of real value, and has no place in a natural society.
Currently, the people and companies and governments developing AI do not have the level of consciousness needed to develop this technology in a way that does no harm to all on this planet. Technology can do good. Technology can do bad. It all depends on who and what is designing and employing any particular technology.
I would roll back not just AI but electrical power in its entirety. Man made electricity, it seems to be either forgotten or ignored, makes us sick. It is arguably the number one poison we now limp along with. Of course it also allows for the kind of warfare, despoiling of the planet and global panopticon that would otherwise simply be impossible. We managed for hundreds of thousands of years without it and on the whole were a far happier, healthier species.
It's what we call "Covid"!! Right on, I agree.
Artificial intelligence is Artificial--it only provides answers according to it's programmers' skill and agendas. I would outlaw it for any human tasks that require insight, human judgment, wisdom, compassion, etc., and relegate it completely to simple counting tasks that do not require judgement. The environmental costs far outweigh any contributions to efficiency, and social justice. So given all of these, on second thought, I would just scrap it entirely.. See Kate Crawford's excellent book, Atlas of AI.
While I'm probably more a staunch #1, I also considered a #5 option:
Deploy AI technology to truly benefit humanity (not just the occult cabals). I would have AI systems trained to perfect efficiencies, such as traffic/traffic light/ public transport management for commutes; eliminate useless bureaucracy/management middle-upper class from local, state and federal government; AI health diagnostics filled with suppressed/demonised health options (eg. herbal, homeopathic, acupuncture, chiro, etc); AI home helpers to do the daily chores we loathe; AI off-planet resource acquisition (e.g. asteroid mining). I want to see a world where everyone is living together harmoniously, free of the propaganda apparatus which divides, blinds and creates hostility.
In my system, AI would be utterly banned from: creating art, music, media or literature; war and weapons development; allopathic pharmaceutical product development; genetics
Nothing good can come of it. And there is no intelligence to it. It separates humans from their soul, and requires destroying earth and all life on it, to do it.
I would not use AI. This is how they will enslave you with it:
https://soberchristiangentlemanpodcast.substack.com/p/ai-deception-s1-ep-3-of-3
I vote for other!
A personal, complete voluntary moratorium for five years while we come to OUR SENSES. Artificial intelligence is the online surrender of autonomy that shows up when we LEAVE our senses. Artificial intelligence is all distraction, no sense, all gee whiz.
Even if others will get ahead, let them. It's not ahead if you're not going that way. Search for personal truth. If you're earnest and lucky you'll find the door to consciousness and what surpasses understanding. AI can know nothing of this.
I would have mandatory references available for the asking for all sourced information provided by AI
Mike the Health Ranger has a health based Large Labguage model AI to ask natural health questions. Off line. Just download, install and use it. Just go to natural news .com
If AI is going to exist at the scale of societal implementation, it should probably fall within the bitcoin-type framework for governance since its network isn't owned by anyone. However the individual privacy protections should come from the Monero model which is the most private crypto model in existence. Thus protecting individual privacy while keeping large governance models public via the bitcoin blockchain ledger (as an example). The models should be FOSS with cheap and easy to operate nodes that anyone can own. LLMs should be open-sourced. The Linux model would be another good example of open, community-driven development that could apply to LLMs. All of this would ideally operate in a mesh network for internet services that can link individual devices together to provide the mesh and that traffic could operate on the TOR network (as an example) to also protect individual privacy.
TOR is run by the USA Defence Department and tracks you if used. They built it for their agents, then provided for free to disguise who is who.
I guess if you didn't understand how it works, I could see how it would be easy to be led to that conclusion. Anyone can operate a TOR node. It isn't run by anyone
Believe what you wish.
Thanks for the concern. Fortunately its not a matter of "belief"