Raising awareness about a proposed high voltage powerline that would require clearcutting some of the last old growth trees we have left in the region for electric car factories and data centers
This was very moving to read. It's why I've always hated the phrase "natural resources," as if the value of Nature is measured only by what we extract from it. You are right to fight so hard for that fraction of a percent of old growth that remains in Ontario. Here in Pennsylvania we have 0.0% left.
I really appreciate your input and resharing the post Thomas.
I am grateful to know someone else gets it. Even the fraction of one percent is a fractal in its ability to serve as a repository of genetic memory, to send out ripples of resilience and remembering into a regenerating younger forest around it, so important to preserve the knowledge keeping trees like these oaks.
Thank you for caring about the elder trees brother.
Long live the Trees! Thank you, Gavin, for all the time, effort, and Love you give to them.
From your Nature Sister to the North? South? You really have me confused on that one... says a seriously geography- and direction-challenged person. :) XO 🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
This makes me feel sick. I don't know what is wrong with Mankind that some are willing to participate in such evil. In fact, I think the instigators of this type of evil do not even belong on this earth.
It beyond time for a great awakening. These dark ones have to be expelled from our world. Permanently.
I feel your pain and frustration sister. However, when one seeks to use the tools of oppressors and killers to rid the world of bad guys, the usual result is that the one that picks up the sword ends up becoming the very thing they sought to remove from the world.
Your comment reminds me of a discussion I had a few years back in a thread on the Corbett Report website ( https://corbettreport.com/new-year-open-thread-2023/#comment-145321 ) with someone suggesting we should just kill all the bad guys and then everything would be better on Earth. I`ll share an excerpt from that exchange below:
'This brings me to your ‘reverse final solution’ (in essence your want to turn the sword of eugenics and/or mass murder on it’s current wielders in order to ‘cleanse the badness from the world’)
There are many reasons why I think French style revolutions, witch hunts, lynchings (and other various forms of organized murder) are not a good idea (both from a sociological, spiritual/philosophical and practical perspective) but let’s just focus on the practical side of this for today.
I acknowledge there are people without a moral compass (or with a very weak one) that are willing to do the things you describe (and/or turn the other way while other people do those things) and while I abhor that behavior and do feel that we as a collective should take decisive action to disarm the psychopaths you describe (and dismantle the systems of oppression they have enticed and goose-stepped us all into helping them build) I do not, however, think that killing all the “psychopaths” would prevent what the psychopaths have been doing for centuries now from happening again.
I can relate to the desire to want to rise up and remove the parasitic psychopaths by force and convict them of crimes against humanity (or just lynch them). While that unlikely hypothetical may provide some temporary catharsis to some it would not provide a lasting solution. Let me explain why.
Removing the tapeworm from the human body without addressing the diet, lifestyle and the quality of one’s internal environment that resulted in the tapeworm being able to take hold in the first place is only a temporary solution.
These “evil doers” are very much like parasites in the way in which they gather wealth and influence in this world. If we do not alter our way of living and the psychological, economic, educational and spiritual landscape in our civilization and family of humanity and just seek to remove the psychopaths from power, all we will be doing is removing individuals who were indoctrinated into a twisted system and way of thinking and creating a power vacuum (which would inevitably be filled by other damaged and twisted humans that have been, and are still being, indoctrinated into that same way of thinking).
Above you mentioned “poisoning the real humans” (which already sounds like it has a pretty slippery slope of a mentality built into it, since you are designating some humans as “real” and some that are ‘not real’) but let’s take a step back from the scapegoating (and dehumanizing) of the oligarchs (which do of course engage in various ‘mass poisoning operations) and take an honest look at if killing them would stop the poisoning of people all together.
Here where I live there are a lot of materialistic, selfish and apathetic degenerates. I regularly see people just throwing garbage (plastic bottles, cans, sometimes full garbage bags from their home etc) out of the windows of their vehicles as they drive on the road. There is no oligarch with a gun to their head telling them to poison the Earth and the water, they do it of their own volition. There are also a great many farmers, businesses, factories and corporations here that spray deadly systemic biocides into the air, soil, water and all over people’s food (because of how convenient and profitable it is for them). Again, there is no member of the Rothchild banking cartel telling them to spray glyphosate on everything, dump their toxic green house run off in our drinking water or soak that which they sell as food in toxins (that increase shelf life and external visual appeal of produce but slowly kills human beings that eat it).
You said:
“Some “humans” don’t have problems with that apparently, we should eradicate those”
Would all of the people I just described in the last paragraph be included in the list of those you would seek to eradicate as well?
Also, I do not think it is reasonable or logical to think that the most influential and wealthy psychopathic oligarchs in the world all belong to one cultural or religious heritage. While material power may have been concentrated in specific subsets of the population (that could be differentiated via cultural, religious or genetic characteristics) in the past, a lot has changed in the past couple centuries (especially in the last few decades) in ‘re-shuffling that deck’.
Furthermore, even if we could point to some group of humans that happened to be the most influential psychopaths on Earth and they also happened to be all sharing some (outwardly discernable) genetic characteristics or shared cultural roots that does not mean their shared genetic traits (race) or shared cultural heritage is what resulted in them becoming psychopathic oligarchs. That would have been the result of indoctrination since birth, not what region they are from, or who their great grandparents were.
Thus, pointing to subsets of the population that are discernable via the above characteristics and saying they are the problem is not only illogical and impractical, it is also a very slippery slope to embracing the same mentality (involving institutionalized eugenics and racism) that has lead to many genocides in our bloody history.
If we want our solution to be permanent we need to focus on creating an environment where parasites and psychopaths have no ability to take hold, gather strength and influence.. and this is a path we can only embark upon when we look within and then plant the seeds form that which we have cultivated within. After we cultivate that which we wish to see in the thoughts and behavior of others around us within we can then move on to cultivate it outwardly, in our own household, communities and regions… through using our hands and our hearts to make the best of our unique gifts and render the parasites obsolete.
Brilliantly summarized! I have been obsessed with protecting the environment since my days growing up in the Sierras. We would visit the Chaw Se sacred lodge for school every year and grind acorns into acorn butter😊 It was amazing but a rare way to grow up. Being submerged into the midwest suburban lifestyle at 10 was exciting at first - the hedonistic distractions - but I quickly saw the repercussions of living without connection to nature. Now after 40 years I feel like I'm in crazy town watching EVERYONE around me - plus the non stop media - act like our collective disposable lifestyle will go on forever. We don't even talk about "children's future" in the sense of natural resources. I was a spirited fighter for most of these years, but recently I have come to the same conclusion as you so aptly summarized. We are dealing with a narcissistic parasite that has been spreading for thousands of years and has churned out sociopaths and psychopaths to the level of complete human species destruction. In the course of its path, millions (if not billions) of people have died trying to fight this morality disease - not to mention all of humanity who have had to live with the loss of clean resources like water and soil. But just as with any disease there is a natural remedy for it and we need to work on healing and constructing a new system that renders the "suckers" of this parasite useless. While I believe changing one's lifestyle is the first big step(growing your own food, discontinuing plastic purchases, making your own cleaners, etc) supporting a mass cultural shift to working with nature (vs ecocide) will create a new world as the old parasitic one dies out. Just as in nature there are cycles of death and rebirth all around us in the physical, mental, and spiritual realms. We are currently fighting the grifters attempting to steal our river water in our little po dunk WI town, and while I intially wanted to join the "anti" fight I quickly realized that there are many rounds in our ring by design. The biggest impact we can make is forming a collective (in our community...with a great sense of humor) that has a plan for the greater good and best overall outcome. That is the force needed to unseat the corruption that currently sits on our village board - a board that used dark money and deceit (plus a murder🧐) to start taking our wetlands...then our rivers. I'd like to end this long comment (as a former marketing expert lol) that intelligent humor is a great way to stir action...Jesus had some great lines in "The Gospel of Thomas" and Shakespeare too🤓
Dear Gavin - expulsion is not the same as murdering. I agree with you that we do not want to become like them and start killing. Besides, murdering all of them is not possible. However, I strongly believe that through our intention, and a raising of our vibration with the help of Creator/Creation, we can expel them from our world. Permanently. I don't see any other effective solution. They need to be expelled from the earth and ideally quarantined for the rest of eternity in the furthest corner of the furthest universe where they can never harm an innocent living thing ever gain and/or until such time that they choose love.
So you advocate for requesting the Creator of all things to banish the souls of some of his children from the Earth? That is a new one I have not heard of before.
I mean, it seems to me that the society we live in on earth (the bulk of dominant systems, institutions and all those that worship, are aligned with and are obedient to them) are very low vibrationally in the spectrum.
So are we talking about “expelling”/banishing millions of people (perhaps billions)? Or how many exactly?
I think if there were people that raised their vibrations to a point where they were unified in thought and frequency and radically divergent from the majority of humanity it would be more likely that those people would traverse through dimensions (leaving most people here behind on 3d earth) rather than staying here and “expelling” or “soul banishing” all the other people that are still learning to get their act together on earth to some oblivion or purgatory. The whole eternal punishment “expelling” thing has a very Roman Catholic Church vibe to it to me.
Anyways, I appreciate you sharing your feelings and thoughts here and I respect that we all have a different view of how the universe and Creation works. So, to each their own.
This was very moving to read. It's why I've always hated the phrase "natural resources," as if the value of Nature is measured only by what we extract from it. You are right to fight so hard for that fraction of a percent of old growth that remains in Ontario. Here in Pennsylvania we have 0.0% left.
I really appreciate your input and resharing the post Thomas.
I am grateful to know someone else gets it. Even the fraction of one percent is a fractal in its ability to serve as a repository of genetic memory, to send out ripples of resilience and remembering into a regenerating younger forest around it, so important to preserve the knowledge keeping trees like these oaks.
Thank you for caring about the elder trees brother.
Long live the Trees! Thank you, Gavin, for all the time, effort, and Love you give to them.
From your Nature Sister to the North? South? You really have me confused on that one... says a seriously geography- and direction-challenged person. :) XO 🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲
Thank you dear nature sister ! I am grateful for your tree loving presence here.
This makes me feel sick. I don't know what is wrong with Mankind that some are willing to participate in such evil. In fact, I think the instigators of this type of evil do not even belong on this earth.
It beyond time for a great awakening. These dark ones have to be expelled from our world. Permanently.
I feel your pain and frustration sister. However, when one seeks to use the tools of oppressors and killers to rid the world of bad guys, the usual result is that the one that picks up the sword ends up becoming the very thing they sought to remove from the world.
Your comment reminds me of a discussion I had a few years back in a thread on the Corbett Report website ( https://corbettreport.com/new-year-open-thread-2023/#comment-145321 ) with someone suggesting we should just kill all the bad guys and then everything would be better on Earth. I`ll share an excerpt from that exchange below:
'This brings me to your ‘reverse final solution’ (in essence your want to turn the sword of eugenics and/or mass murder on it’s current wielders in order to ‘cleanse the badness from the world’)
There are many reasons why I think French style revolutions, witch hunts, lynchings (and other various forms of organized murder) are not a good idea (both from a sociological, spiritual/philosophical and practical perspective) but let’s just focus on the practical side of this for today.
I acknowledge there are people without a moral compass (or with a very weak one) that are willing to do the things you describe (and/or turn the other way while other people do those things) and while I abhor that behavior and do feel that we as a collective should take decisive action to disarm the psychopaths you describe (and dismantle the systems of oppression they have enticed and goose-stepped us all into helping them build) I do not, however, think that killing all the “psychopaths” would prevent what the psychopaths have been doing for centuries now from happening again.
I can relate to the desire to want to rise up and remove the parasitic psychopaths by force and convict them of crimes against humanity (or just lynch them). While that unlikely hypothetical may provide some temporary catharsis to some it would not provide a lasting solution. Let me explain why.
Removing the tapeworm from the human body without addressing the diet, lifestyle and the quality of one’s internal environment that resulted in the tapeworm being able to take hold in the first place is only a temporary solution.
These “evil doers” are very much like parasites in the way in which they gather wealth and influence in this world. If we do not alter our way of living and the psychological, economic, educational and spiritual landscape in our civilization and family of humanity and just seek to remove the psychopaths from power, all we will be doing is removing individuals who were indoctrinated into a twisted system and way of thinking and creating a power vacuum (which would inevitably be filled by other damaged and twisted humans that have been, and are still being, indoctrinated into that same way of thinking).
Above you mentioned “poisoning the real humans” (which already sounds like it has a pretty slippery slope of a mentality built into it, since you are designating some humans as “real” and some that are ‘not real’) but let’s take a step back from the scapegoating (and dehumanizing) of the oligarchs (which do of course engage in various ‘mass poisoning operations) and take an honest look at if killing them would stop the poisoning of people all together.
Here where I live there are a lot of materialistic, selfish and apathetic degenerates. I regularly see people just throwing garbage (plastic bottles, cans, sometimes full garbage bags from their home etc) out of the windows of their vehicles as they drive on the road. There is no oligarch with a gun to their head telling them to poison the Earth and the water, they do it of their own volition. There are also a great many farmers, businesses, factories and corporations here that spray deadly systemic biocides into the air, soil, water and all over people’s food (because of how convenient and profitable it is for them). Again, there is no member of the Rothchild banking cartel telling them to spray glyphosate on everything, dump their toxic green house run off in our drinking water or soak that which they sell as food in toxins (that increase shelf life and external visual appeal of produce but slowly kills human beings that eat it).
You said:
“Some “humans” don’t have problems with that apparently, we should eradicate those”
Would all of the people I just described in the last paragraph be included in the list of those you would seek to eradicate as well?
Also, I do not think it is reasonable or logical to think that the most influential and wealthy psychopathic oligarchs in the world all belong to one cultural or religious heritage. While material power may have been concentrated in specific subsets of the population (that could be differentiated via cultural, religious or genetic characteristics) in the past, a lot has changed in the past couple centuries (especially in the last few decades) in ‘re-shuffling that deck’.
Furthermore, even if we could point to some group of humans that happened to be the most influential psychopaths on Earth and they also happened to be all sharing some (outwardly discernable) genetic characteristics or shared cultural roots that does not mean their shared genetic traits (race) or shared cultural heritage is what resulted in them becoming psychopathic oligarchs. That would have been the result of indoctrination since birth, not what region they are from, or who their great grandparents were.
Thus, pointing to subsets of the population that are discernable via the above characteristics and saying they are the problem is not only illogical and impractical, it is also a very slippery slope to embracing the same mentality (involving institutionalized eugenics and racism) that has lead to many genocides in our bloody history.
If we want our solution to be permanent we need to focus on creating an environment where parasites and psychopaths have no ability to take hold, gather strength and influence.. and this is a path we can only embark upon when we look within and then plant the seeds form that which we have cultivated within. After we cultivate that which we wish to see in the thoughts and behavior of others around us within we can then move on to cultivate it outwardly, in our own household, communities and regions… through using our hands and our hearts to make the best of our unique gifts and render the parasites obsolete.
I elaborate further on the concepts presented in my comments today in a substack article which you can find here: https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/in-pursuit-of-an-antidote-for-parasites
Brilliantly summarized! I have been obsessed with protecting the environment since my days growing up in the Sierras. We would visit the Chaw Se sacred lodge for school every year and grind acorns into acorn butter😊 It was amazing but a rare way to grow up. Being submerged into the midwest suburban lifestyle at 10 was exciting at first - the hedonistic distractions - but I quickly saw the repercussions of living without connection to nature. Now after 40 years I feel like I'm in crazy town watching EVERYONE around me - plus the non stop media - act like our collective disposable lifestyle will go on forever. We don't even talk about "children's future" in the sense of natural resources. I was a spirited fighter for most of these years, but recently I have come to the same conclusion as you so aptly summarized. We are dealing with a narcissistic parasite that has been spreading for thousands of years and has churned out sociopaths and psychopaths to the level of complete human species destruction. In the course of its path, millions (if not billions) of people have died trying to fight this morality disease - not to mention all of humanity who have had to live with the loss of clean resources like water and soil. But just as with any disease there is a natural remedy for it and we need to work on healing and constructing a new system that renders the "suckers" of this parasite useless. While I believe changing one's lifestyle is the first big step(growing your own food, discontinuing plastic purchases, making your own cleaners, etc) supporting a mass cultural shift to working with nature (vs ecocide) will create a new world as the old parasitic one dies out. Just as in nature there are cycles of death and rebirth all around us in the physical, mental, and spiritual realms. We are currently fighting the grifters attempting to steal our river water in our little po dunk WI town, and while I intially wanted to join the "anti" fight I quickly realized that there are many rounds in our ring by design. The biggest impact we can make is forming a collective (in our community...with a great sense of humor) that has a plan for the greater good and best overall outcome. That is the force needed to unseat the corruption that currently sits on our village board - a board that used dark money and deceit (plus a murder🧐) to start taking our wetlands...then our rivers. I'd like to end this long comment (as a former marketing expert lol) that intelligent humor is a great way to stir action...Jesus had some great lines in "The Gospel of Thomas" and Shakespeare too🤓
Dear Gavin - expulsion is not the same as murdering. I agree with you that we do not want to become like them and start killing. Besides, murdering all of them is not possible. However, I strongly believe that through our intention, and a raising of our vibration with the help of Creator/Creation, we can expel them from our world. Permanently. I don't see any other effective solution. They need to be expelled from the earth and ideally quarantined for the rest of eternity in the furthest corner of the furthest universe where they can never harm an innocent living thing ever gain and/or until such time that they choose love.
Dear Jeanice,
Thanks for elaborating on what you meant.
So you advocate for requesting the Creator of all things to banish the souls of some of his children from the Earth? That is a new one I have not heard of before.
I mean, it seems to me that the society we live in on earth (the bulk of dominant systems, institutions and all those that worship, are aligned with and are obedient to them) are very low vibrationally in the spectrum.
So are we talking about “expelling”/banishing millions of people (perhaps billions)? Or how many exactly?
I think if there were people that raised their vibrations to a point where they were unified in thought and frequency and radically divergent from the majority of humanity it would be more likely that those people would traverse through dimensions (leaving most people here behind on 3d earth) rather than staying here and “expelling” or “soul banishing” all the other people that are still learning to get their act together on earth to some oblivion or purgatory. The whole eternal punishment “expelling” thing has a very Roman Catholic Church vibe to it to me.
Anyways, I appreciate you sharing your feelings and thoughts here and I respect that we all have a different view of how the universe and Creation works. So, to each their own.