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Abigail Hardy's avatar

The idea of relinquishing any aspect of the tangible, solid, hard working truth of humanity to an AI is so abhorrent in every way it makes my skin crawl. The grounding, the reality, the way working at what matters to you, even the seemingly arduous and mundane and repetitive tasks, is what makes us human and offers us a way to develop true humility - this is actually a gift that contributes to bodily and spiritual health. Continually returning to what has to be done to pave our way forward day by day - it keeps us going, in fact. And it’s a good measure also of how we are aligned with our purpose. If the daily tasks become something in which there feels zero purpose in investing, if the hard work cannot be framed as beneficial in the bigger picture (and my perspective is stay at home mum, frequently berated for “not working”, sleeping a handful of hours only, wiping bums, cleaning the same toilets and floors over and over, trying to make healthy food from scratch on poverty line income, knowing that many of the tasks I do would only become visible if I didn’t do them) - if that is the case, then it’s a strong message that you need to reassess what you ARE doing with your life. Working yourself with your hands keeps you aligned with your purpose and your humanity.

“…make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: you should mind your own business and work with your hands…”

“Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.”

For many a Bible reference won’t be welcome - but I make my point. The human race has understood this very issue for a long long time.

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Cheerio's avatar

By what appears not to be intelligence, but consensus as my definition of 'AI'...

We already are using computers and digital connectivity, what I would do with it is use it in ways that supported others in learning creatively.

I would also utilize my RAM capacity storage in a digital access form for that which is at least publicly shareable... and resort to hand writing the remainder and literally recycle all my techno-crap.

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Cheerio's avatar

After reading Tereza's article - I would like to rephrase the 'resort to hand writing' piece and actually go towards relearning legendary story telling practices as a way to record historical and important details of cultural and discernable life lessons.

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Andrew Aponick's avatar

Since writing my AI article that you liked and commented on, I have actually used AI less. I would never train AI to do anything for me. If AI is available to streamline some things like graphic art and web development (the only two things I've ever really used it for), then great, but outside of that, I have no interest in allowing it to take over parts of my life. That COULD change as I my hesitantly and with great discernment try something new that's AI-related, but for now, I'm good.

If that means I won't be super wealthy because other people are faster at doing business-related stuff than me, then fine. In my profession, trauma healing, I attract people who want to be authentic by being as authentic as I can be. And becoming consumed by AI is NOT being authentic. Consciousness attracts like consciousness.

So, if that means I'm not going to be wildly rich and wealthy, so be it. I'll still be happy though, and I won't be addicted to something that controls my life. I was already an opioid addict for 20 years. No thanks!

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Kalle Pihlajasaari's avatar

The BIG danger of AI and robotics is that all the efficiency gains they achieve which will devalue human effort will accrue to those that OWN the AI and the robots.

If I could have my own AI to do research (make summaries of data from many sources and languages) and did not have to pay server fees to a multinational tax dodging corporation I would be happy with that.

If I could have a robot that would do mundane work on my behalf and the savings in time benefited me and not the robot leasing company then I would like that.

However unless one is wealthy neither of these are likely to happen.

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Angie's avatar

Byrdturd on X: "The "pandemic" was a trigger to accelerate the Cybernetic Revolution.. If you do not know what that is and would like to know, check out this video.. The final phase of the Cybernetic Revolution will begin in the 2030s. COVID-19 pandemic as a trigger for the acceleration of the https://t.co/V8cKySxzGs" / X

https://x.com/Byrdturd86/status/1914123929905500352

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040162521007794

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Crixcyon's avatar

Just dealing with the A/i slobs on the phone (as in consumer assistance) is enough to convince me to scrap the whole nine yards.

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Soundintentions's avatar

I do not believe AI in its current form is beneficial to many people. I do agree that 'expert systems' in specific, narrowly trained fields are useful, eg analysing medical imaging etc. But these systems are trained in the expert knowledge, not repeating the manglings of the internet at large, as is happening with so-called AI which is not intelligent in any sense.

I am highly energy-sensitive and have worked on developing my conciousness for decades. In this last 2 years I have noticed a new energy in computers and phones - now you will know I am truly 'over the edge' - however, this proliferation of AI into devices, largely unwanted I believe, has a consciousness. And it is most definitely not beneficial.

I am not saying that what we call AI is conscious as yet, I believe I am sensing the consciousness that is behind this push, whether that comes from elements of humanity or elsewhere. It is not for the benefit of humanity.

Linux systems don't have this, as yet. I feel a lot happier and more productive sitting in front of this Linux laptop I am on now than in front of Windows (quite apart from all the general aggravation that system throws at you), but I need it for some work tasks.

As I said, I am incredibly sensitive and highly attuned to the energies and consiousness of all things. Discernment is key to a happier life.

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Betsy's avatar

I can't seem to vote in your poll, but it's a hard NO from me. I'll keep all of my humanity, thanks anyway.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Hey Betsy, thanks for commenting to share your thoughts on this.

Perhaps the screenshot I shared part way down the post (with the results from last November's related poll) was confusing and appeared to be a poll? If you scroll down below that you should be able to vote on this month's poll.

Thanks for engaging and thank you for valuing your humanity.

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Betsy's avatar

I saw the old poll--it was the new one I couldn't vote on. Maybe I was doing it on my phone--sometimes things don't work there.

I always take every opportunity that comes my way to express my view that AI is designed to steal our human capacities and entice us into turning over our humanity to robots. I don't think most people see how steep and slippery this slope is straight into transhumanism. Don't even set one toe on it.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

"AI is designed to steal our human capacities and entice us into turning over our humanity to robots. I don't think most people see how steep and slippery this slope is straight into transhumanism. Don't even set one toe on it."

Well said.

I look forward to hearing what you think of my next book when it comes together. It may end up being among the minority of 100% human written (no AI generated content) books (for new books on the market) by the time it is published.

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The Word Herder's avatar

I've read the comments below, and I can't say much more that's relevant, except that I am entirely unwilling to engage AI at all, if I can avoid it, ON PRINCIPLE.

The idea of having AI making "decisions" about how people live or work-- or don't-- is anathema to me. I refuse to use it anytime I have a choice. And I WANT TO HAVE A CHOICE. In fact, I want to have a choice and NOT to have a govt. !! Nope, I'm not for half-tyranny, or anything remotely REMOTE about how I CHOOSE to live my life. I CHOOSE.

I refuse to be OK with AI for any reason. Why in HELL would I want a machine, programmed by people I likely don't know, making ANY kind of decision about me or how I live??? It's absurd. And to be frank, "asking" AI to answer questions is suspicious right there... How do we know it's not a freakin' TRICK? lol Do I SOUND like someone who trusts anything ?? I've not been ALIVE in a time when LIES have not been par for the course.

But I trust the Earth, and I trust Gavin! ;)

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John Galt's avatar

Gavin used "your" where he should have used "you're" above and completely destroyed the Godlike image I had of him.

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The Word Herder's avatar

Oh, damn. I guess I donut trust him after all. 😫

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The Word Herder's avatar

I forgot to mention: The IDEA, as I understand it, with AI, is to train robots to do what human beings do, so that when the Globalist Nasties have slaughtered all of us, the robots will be their slaves. Just thought I'd throw that in there, too.

(And good luck with that, you freakish jerks.)

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Stephan Rinbaum's avatar

If my "life's work" could be simplified so much that AI could do it, I'd be sorely disappointed that my "life's work" were so meaningless.

My favourite hobby nowadays is horse racing. I like to "handicap", or choose the winner, of each race. I do this not for the money, in fact, I don't bet except when I go to a betting office with a friend of mine on occasional Saturdays, and even then it's $5 per race.

I do it because I like horses and I like the challenge, much as a crossword puzzle enthusiast loves words and a challenge. There are now many outlets promoting their "AI" handicapping services, but I'd be so disappointed if any of them were to become proficient at it. The whole idea is that the challenge is impossible to predict with 100% accuracy every time.

I remember that years ago an announcement was made that Watson or Deep Blue or one of those other supercomputers had literally played every possible game of checkers and had therefore 'defeated' the game. How sad for those lifelong checkers players!

Let AI do its thing, mundanely compiling data and providing the most likely outcomes - that's grunt work. Humans think in the abstract, or at least they should, and see the magnificence of things that cannot be predicted. Let that be one's "life's work", whether it be something as trivial as horse race handicapping or solving the question of existence itself.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

RE: "If my "life's work" could be simplified so much that AI could do it, I'd be sorely disappointed that my "life's work" were so meaningless."

Good point.

And, if lets say hypothetically AIs become sentient and can do all the abstract and creative things as well (or better) than some humans, for those that could choose to have one of those programs do the creating for them (and then fraudulently put their name behind the creation and profit from it) the question becomes, why? So that one can avoid creating and instead live in passive opulence in a smart city as a consumer of corporate products? Even if that were possible, it sounds like hell to me, yet the scary thing is, some people are being conditioned to crave that sort of pointless existence.

These are strange times to be alive, offering high intensity stress tests for the resilience of one's mind and soul. Some will be corroded and break under the pressure, some will emerge shining and razor sharp.

Each choice we make now goes towards one direction or the other.

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Stephan Rinbaum's avatar

“Who knows? If there is in fact, a heaven and a hell, all we know for sure is that hell will be a viciously overcrowded version of Phoenix — a clean well lighted place full of sunshine and bromides and fast cars where almost everybody seems vaguely happy, except those who know in their hearts what is missing... And being driven slowly and quietly into the kind of terminal craziness that comes with finally understanding that the one thing you want is not there. Missing. Back-ordered. No tengo. Vaya con dios. Grow up! Small is better. Take what you can get...”

- Hunter S Thompson

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Mary Poindexter McLaughlin's avatar

Thanks for posting my relevant essay on the pursuit of immortality, Gavin.

I'm beyond wary of robotic replacements, mainly because the less we do, the less capable we become. A great essay on that topic: https://poeticoutlaws.substack.com/p/the-comfortable-life-is-killing-you?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=t8svd&triedRedirect=true

On another note, this essay of yours led me to the one on Paw Paw fruit, which blew my mind. Two days ago, my sister and I received the results of a sophisticated blood analysis that suggested Paw Paw as a beneficial substance for my sister's fight against cancer! Ah, the Universe just keeps on giving. :-)

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The Word Herder's avatar

Love that! Blessings to your sister. xo

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John Galt's avatar

The majority of the things I have done in my life have been creative. When that boils down to maintenance, sales & etc. (business) experience has shown that the time is near for me to to move on.

I do these things because I enjoy them. Not sure AI could do them but how would it improve my life if it could?

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Mary Jensen's avatar

Artificial Intelligence (A-I) is artificial and only capable of output that has been programmed in. Values, emotions, thought processes, weighing of alternatives is not possible. What is possible, is the ability to limit human expression and action by overriding choices. All of us have experienced the frustrating substitution of programmed answering machines when we really need to talk to a human being about a problem on the phone--no human beings with options, experience, and real ability to trouble shoot beyond the minimum. No generosity, ability to see above the probabilities which puts everything in one box--well beyond the myriad of possibilities. Artificial intelligence needs to be reined in, and delegated to organizational efficiency, cataloging, and information retrieval. It definitely should be removed from value based decision-making!

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The Word Herder's avatar

Good answer!!! I vote for you, not AI.

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Tessa Lena's avatar

Chatbots are unreliable even if nobody tries to weaponize them, and of course plenty of aspiring controllers try to weaponize them. Years ago, Nicholas Charr wrote a book about the dangers of automation. People cheered the book over a glass of wine, nodded, and carried along. I wrote about it some 10 years ago or so, issuing artistic warnings, but here we are anyway.

https://tessafightsrobots.com/tessa-lena/unloved-why-google-undeserving-love/ (not substack, my original website)

It could potentially be useful as a fast and honest fast calculator (if AI is to be used to "sum up" available data, and the human being looking at the results is fully aware of the principle "garbage in, garbage out." :-) But it is so much more complex, and so much deeper....

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Thanks for the in depth response Tessa.

I agree, did you see this weird AI hallucinated "scientific study" that JC covered in this video https://open.substack.com/pub/corbettreport/p/the-8th-annual-fake-news-awards?r=q2yay&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&timestamp=227.6&showWelcomeOnShare=false ?

I appreciate the candor about the calculator analogy, but what about the brain atrophy aspect? I feel like smart phones (with autodial connected to people's names) and calculators have diminished my ability to remember phone numbers and do math calculations swiftly in my head to a significant degree over the last 2 decades. AI chatbots claim to have read something for you, "summarize it" and then tell people what to think about it. This seems like it will result in a whole different level of brain atrophy.

Or maybe I am just a paranoid low tech gardening guy and regular ChatGPT using peoples are actually getting smarter, though it sure does seem like the opposite when I talk to them in person and they scramble to ask the AI on their phone for the facts.

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SomeDude's avatar

I haven't had memorized phone numbers other than my own since beginning to carry a phone book in my pocket that can dial out. since just before the turn of the century.

I still do a similar amount of math in my head as high school even though I now carry

a handy calculator around, mostly for the mental exercise.

I also strain myself physically less now that I can afford better mechanic's tools, and have noticed a similar degradation in both physical and mental fitness since having more tools that bypass the need for my built in functionality.

being inherently lazy I don't really worry about the minimal functional losses, though as I age and my material form self maintenance apparatus degrades I'll have to ramp up the deliberate self maintenance routines to compensate for my losses to lazy technologies.

I'm lucky enough to have had the bonus of starting out in great shape with brain database and physical fitness, so the degradations still haven't knocked me down to what I see around me as average.

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SomeDude's avatar

my work is a bit esoteric to be training a robot to do.

servicing ancient arcade games could be done in an automated fashion but it'd potentially take longer that way.

important qualification: if I train the robot, am I guaranteed to continue to receive the pay for the repairs it is performing that I'm not? if so, I'd consider it, as I've been interested in robotics and automation since at least age 2 in the mid 1970s. if not, there's no chance I'd train a replacement automaton

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

I appreciate the comment.

If you trained the bot to do what you do and you would still get paid, what would you do with all the extra spare time?

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SomeDude's avatar

I have a myriad of fun prototype projects on the back burner, not to mention home improvements such as drilling a clandestine well (putting in the personal-use well is legal in Missouri without a permit, but the City is extremely overbearing in the way they charge for and or deny such improvements which cut their utility monopoly profits,) and setting up a high amp alternator for a non-grid power source.

my half acre of yard still has room for a lot more food trees and plants as well, and I continuously invest in those while trying to bring back my childhood green thumb. there have been many expensive green friend casualties due to the loss of that skill.

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DawnieR's avatar

There is only ONE thing that I would use 'AI' for......and that is, to look up 'laws'/State/Fed Statutes.

As in, to name one area of 'law'.......

DID YOU KNOW.......

That our PUBLIC SERVANTS (aka govt employees) need to be Bonded?

Instead of suing them in court (for whatever reason), we are able to 'go after' (make a Claim against) their Bonds!

'AI' would be good for this; for finding one's State Statutes that tells one how to do this.

More people need to know about going after Public Servant's Bonds!

An example.....

If members of your SKOOL (spelled on purpose) Board gets out of line and is implementing tranny/smut books, teachings, or whatever......you'd NOT sue them; but instead go after their Bonds.

Another......

If a 'judge' is letting criminals/illegals 'walk', instead of putting them in prison......go after his/her Bond.

I'll let Clif High explain a bit further.....

ONE POINT WOO: NUCLEATION AND BONDS - EXPLORERS GUIDE TO SCIFI WORLD

https://old.bitchute.com/video/fFJguIO6nL1J/

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John Galt's avatar

Been a long time since I watched that. I had forgotten that Clif keeps his mother in the refrigerator.

He talks about jurisdictions from time to time but he never goes into it. A jurisdiction trick is how he beat that jerk Cory Booker.

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DawnieR's avatar

LOL @ 'mother in the refrigerator'.

It's always funny, when he says that! lol

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Dr. David Thor's avatar

It’s a great title but I don’t have time to read this right now. I wish I had an AI that could read it for me while I go off harvesting chamomile.

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NorskFrivilist's avatar

As long as the "average bob and bobette" is okay with the status quo, the only thing I wanted an ai to do good is to go full on slaughterbots on the rich jewish elite. Start at the tippy top and work it's way down.

I'm not saying it should kill them like in the slaughterbot video, but we could get them into captivity. Maybe ship them on to derelict oil rigs around the world and just forget about them.

Or force them to rebuild Palestine and LEAVE after they are done :P

My point here is, AI and tech would not be an problem if the world's elite and controllers are coke fueled inbred nepotistic satanic pedocucks.

But the elite obviously is, so we are all fuckdt if we go the highway.

The only freedom you get is the ones you take.

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