I chose 'other' for the first question because 1000 is too long and 100 is not long enough.
I am thinking somewhere around 200 would be good. The reason for that being that it seems to me that 100 years is just not quite long enough to progress as a human being. ie. grow and heal emotionally, spiritually and then have the time to refine and utilize your self improvements. It seems to me that by the time a person now has lived long enough to learn lessons, they die and never get to even pass on those lessons learned to the next generation, much less make personal use of them. One caveat I would enter here though is that I would want to be physically young enough to live a good life for that long. Being in a decrepit state by 80 and then being that way for the next 120 years would not be worth it.
My above statements also answer the second question.
So I have started writing this a couple times and been called away, meaning I might now sound disjointed as I struggle to recover my thought processes….! I voted 100 (I’d like to make it past 100, maybe 110!), and that I would be willing to make lifestyle and diet adjustments to get there. My willingness to suit up transhuman style is nil, zero, nada, no way, step away from me with the microchips please. As for what to do with my time? Well I did vote planting forests…… but also considered read every book…… and mostly should have gone for “other”, all of which intimate what I’m really about - nurturing, caring, growing things, reading for pleasure and learning and the pleasure of learning.
I have over the years settled on healthy longevity as a real focus of my health pursuit as it has just crystallised that way for me. I don’t think I thought too much about it in my twenties, now I am 43 and I have watched people and animals exit this mortal coil, and I have five children of varying ages including a teenager and a small toddler. Highly functional, quality long life is a real goal for me. It is actually very humbling to arrive at that desire, at least the way I’ve travelled. Unlike arriving there with the arrogance to manipulate technology to get what you think you want. And this is what I would like to do with that time - what I am doing, only more and better. I have realised with a kind of weight of responsibility to it, that, whatever anyone thinks of it, my own wellness and survival matter a lot to a whole bunch of people - even if they might not think of it, and sometimes they do. I am a stay at home, home educating mum to many, a wife, a home maker - very humble career choice especially in today’s world, especially as a low income family. I am in no way exceptional, special, better than anyone else, or even as good as many - yet I have been chosen to be their person, for these few, and, in humility, I have become very conscious that without me, six other lives would lose a foundation they depend on. I am aware that I have the privilege of providing nurturing care, love, peace, sustenance and guidance to a handful of beautiful young minds, hearts and bodies and support and nurture to the man who saw fit to live with me and love with me. I want to be able to do this until I am very old, without missing a beat. Ergo, my health matters. I want to be healthy, able, in sound mind and body, with a happy, joyful and peaceful spirit for my whole long life, if I am given that in grace. If that prayer is answered.
I can contribute by taking my diet, exercise and spiritual health and well-being seriously, something I am constantly learning about. So onwards. Luckily, giving to and caring for others can contribute to that wellness. Generosity has been shown to improve longevity ( https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-generosity-may-help-you-be-happier-and-live-longer/ ), aren’t humans totally amazing?!
Personally, I cannot fathom messing with the biology that has synchronistically and creatively coalesced into our human experience in order to serve a transhuman dream-mare. Along the way, I have discovered for myself that health always lies down a route of sense and understanding and resonance and caring for the body’s processes - I have witnessed and experienced first hand the wonders of homeopathy, herbs, dietary interventions, leaving well alone (hello fever) and I do think there’s a place for humbly considering one or two more “biohacky” type things - supplements (especially vitamin D for us northerners, but there are others - everyone needs a good magnesium salts bath now and then), natural skincare (all the beautiful oils and balms of nature are all you need really), and near infrared light is interesting….
Beyond these there are pharmaceuticals and from both personal experience and research, their use is patchy and their necessity rare. Yes - there are certainly situations of pharmaceutical need, yet these moments are vanishingly rare compared with how often they are actually claimed. As one commentator I greatly admire said “no one ever got cancer for a lack of chemotherapy.” (Source on request!) Oh so true.
There are methodologies to accentuate health that most are only even vaguely aware of (I am a massage therapist, and massage, and facscia release can be so supportive of wellbeing and health) - lymphatic drainage also springs to mind. Yet first thing we have been trained to reach for is a helpful little petroleum pill laced with something that once might have had something to do with a plant…. Pharma sits just about a rung below the start of the transhuman ladder. Medicine and healing extrapolated to its own outer limits and heading into a dodgy ether, where manipulation of the target material into a new something is envisaged and that vision massaged into something further down that path. One that bifurcated very far back from transfiguration into peak humanity. I personally believe the whole transhuman project is inherently very evil. Not everyone caught up in it even is aware of the evil, but some are. I can elaborate as to why I feel that way, but I think I have written quite enough! The insidiousness of the “advancements” that take us further and further from ourselves come from a place of such arrogance and spiritual poverty and degradation that is wholly horrifying, and a path not to be tried or trod by those of character, moral fibre or humble human awareness. The hazy space where humans and AI gradually lose their boundaries and meld into some abomination of life is a frontier which many are aiming to breach, and I feel that steering fast in the other direction is called for.
Bring me a little coracle and some oars, let’s make for the edge of the world.
Perhaps that is what is needed to manifest anything, be it material or a state of being, is purposefulness? A doubtful approach is something that 'may be' with a question attached...will it be? Whereas purposefully envisioning something, as if it already IS appears to be the trick ! Having the vision in your minds eye.
It takes practice. I've had quite a bit of success over the years , but nowhere near enough for my satisfaction, as the 'beliefs' I was brought up with have taken years to dispel and so often got in the way of my determination and imaginings, but being the eternal optimist, I carry on and my own life could be so much worse than I've managed to make it. Though I still have an awful lot to learn... Carry on truckin'!
They simultaneously try to sell assisted suicide to the plebs and eternal life to the ‘elites’—that’s how much they care. 😆
I like the idea of living to 120-150, because I feel like I was about 50 before I ever started to understand anything of great significance about the world. So that would give me another good chuck of time to figure out what to do about all I’ve managed to figure out. But not with any enhancements of any kind, except glasses. Not even a walker, thank you very much! Problem is, I don’t like what I see, the corruption and decay and abuse of nature just getting worse decade after decade.
It’s not just how do we keep good health for a century plus, but how to we keep up some hope for that long?
I like this. I very much relate to the late blooming - that’s me. Didn’t even know what I wanted til late in my thirties and still figuring it out now. Personally I would like a lot more time being vital and productive - I really dislike the messaging that you are kind of past it by your forties and fifties that seems so prevalent in society - I feel like I only just got here really, in a way.
“"Anyone who looks without theoretical preconception at the many ways that aging manifests in nature realizes that aging is a biological function. It is not a bug but a feature of the software. Aging is an epigenetic program.
Selfish genes are not compatible with a stable ecosystem. I was able to demonstrate this with mathematical models, and I consider this to be my principal contribution to science. Selfish genes very rapidly destroy the ecosystem in which they appear. This is how natural selection has so ruthlessly eliminated the selfish gene.
The fact that individual animals share a prey population ties their destinies tightly and inextricably together in a way that changes the fundamentals of evolutionary dynamics. All animals are forced to cooperate to preserve the pool of plants or animals on which their future depends. Selfish genes inevitably lead to overconsumption. No one can afford to be ruled by selfish genes.
The requirement of ecosystem stability changes everything about evolution, which is ultimately everything we understand about biology. Biology can only be understood in the context of evolution, and evolution can only be understood in the context of ecosystems. For four billion years, natural selection has been in the business of creating robust, homeostatic ecosystems. The scope of the “selfish gene” in this picture is limited indeed."
There was a study or an analysis that came out maybe 20 years ago that stated the human body is capable of regenerating itself for about 120 years. I feel that is the lifespan we are made for, and conditions on earth have not allowed us to optimize that for quite some time. Now we are conditioned to see chronic disease and loss of function as normal aspects of aging. I don't believe they are. I think we're designed to stay fairly healthy until we "wear out" at something like 120--no tech or extraordinary measures needed (and none wanted). I am 73 so at that rate, I still have close to 50 years to practice healthy eating and living habits, which I expect I can do, being very healthy at this time. My plan is to live every day to the fullest, be myself, and contribute to the world where I can. And not fear death but accept that humans are not meant to live forever in these bodies. Peter Thiel is a ghoul in my opinion.
I think we do live forever even if not in our existing physical bodies...energy can neither be added to nor diminished, it can only change, it is said, and being alive is energy manifesting not only as our physical being, but also as our breath and heartbeats, as the electrics coursing through our bodies, and it has been said that with our last breath a tiny amount of weight leaves the body, is that weight leaving, the departure of what we call our soul? I think it may well be and it is that which rejoins the 'All' and can re-incarnate again.
I really think that as the bible apparently says, God is 'within', God is All, yes and each of us is an expression of that amazing endlessly creative All, or God, whatever you want to call that energy. I like to call it Infinite Spirit and we are in no way disconnected from it. To me it seems that God is experimenting with infinite possibilities, and therein lies our free will. The pathways can be toward good and the light, or towards evil and darkness, being expressions of God we have this free will to see where imagining at this our current earthly vibration of existence will lead us, we can choose all through our earthly existence. So far we have let the vibrations of ugliness, pain and war, of 'us against them rule our manifestation, but it is said we are now entering the age of Aquarius, another part of the cosmos with different energies at 'play', this energy is at first chaotic, but eventually leads to love, how long the chaos last may well be up to our free will?
Anyways I thought I'd like to live to be 120, but only if I stay fit, absolutely no 'enhancements', other than healthy food, exercise and clean water and air, good companions and a garden. Some travelling if there are no vax passports etc!
I would like to live as long as I am mentally competent, and physically able to engage in basic tasks of independent living. Living in the country, with clean air and clean water, and gorgeous surroundings is important to me. Self sufficiency combined with making a positive contribution to the health and well-being of my local society is a lifelong goal. Finding "my people" makes it all worthwhile. Not interested in robotic enhancements--the global elite can have the extra spare parts and programs they would like to give me....:)
I would be happy to live as long as is required. Reincarnation is hard work and it might in some respects be easier to manage things in one lifetime if it was long enough.
The task at hand would be to cancel all possible karma with every other soul that is still outstanding. This being a prerequisite to be freed from the wheel of death and rebirth and realize final union with the creator.
I would not be prepared to use systems that are not predictable (GMO me) or cannot maintain a connection to my soul (upload). While I am a bit old fashioned and squeamish about the cyborg thing I do not think it is fundamentally or karmicly different from getting a titanium hip joint so within limits of improving myself on my own terms that could be an option.
I would never choose to live forever given my spiritual believes. I am a strong believer of the souls journey and reincarnation for the advancement of spirit. Like many others, I am not as fearful of death as I have this outlook and don’t feel the need to scramble around trying to prolong it beyond its natural means. However, if I could magically live for a couple hundred years would I do it? I am leaning towards no as I have built up a great life that has been made great as I get to share it with my partner, friends and family. You could just cycle through these people every half century etc but I would personally feel the loss immensely and would rather my life take its course. I can see the benefit of living 200 years as you could explore and learn so much about the world and self, it’s just not for me. In regards to what I’d do with my time, I’d just carry on with what I already do, regenerating the land and trying to surround myself with good people :)
I believe that these transhumanists are very fearful of the ego death, the majority of their lives they have been talked about profusely and surrounded by immense material wealth. The lack of spiritual awareness or belief in something greater than themselves has causes this disease. I also believe that some of these people are into the occult and they have their own way of navigating life! To me, they are just delaying the inevitable by fighting the natural state of the world, of which there is no escape.
Wow. How do you comment on these choices? I would say my mood and life situation would dictate how I feel at that moment. I have been deeply effected by death my entire adult life. Not to go into great detail but I was a Paramedic/Firefighter for over 25 years in a busy urban environment so I've seen more death than I care to remember. I also lost a wife and a newborn during childbirth. My 2 best friends from high school are dead, my brother, all my grands but my parents are still living. I have always been fascinated with people's outlook of death and their emotional reaction to it. To me its determined timing. I think I'll go when I'm meant to go. My reluctance to go is the pain my loved ones will suffer. I'd like to be around to see my surviving son and his life unfold. I'm in a very unusual transition in my life where I feel purposeless. I had a purpose and that part of my life is over but unfortunately I haven't found the next purpose other than to be present for my loved ones. Not something I hold any expertise in. If I took them out of the equation, I wonder if I already did what I was meant to do with my time on earth. I wonder if its ok to be done with this period of my spiritual existence. When I consider that I feel sad that I could miss my sons life and my wife would be horribly sad (I think lol). That gives me the motivation to continue to find some meaning and purpose to motivate me to contribute to humanity in some way. If it was just me, I've had a good run. There's some great experiences and stories so if its my time, I'm ok with that. At peace with it. But................I don't think my loves are ready so I accept that as well. I have no idea what my mission is in this life but I am confident that when it's complete and I have served my purpose my existence will end to make room for the next, or to move on to whatever I'm destined for. I don't believe in pushing the plan out of balance too much. I think we have choice but within parameters. What those are is beyond my minds ability to understand. If I mess with the system too much I push everything out of balance and the paths become a type domino effect. My choice to push hard and make a drastic choice will ultimately alter the universe in some little way. A good example of this would be the choice to take my own life. I think a choice like that rocks the very core of the universe I'm involved in and has massive reverberations throughout. How will that effect my son, his future, his family, my unfound purpose or unknown purpose. Granted there's nuance in the situation around that. Perhaps I'm terminally ill and have given up any hope for recovery. That would bring another decision process to determine how that decision would ripple the pond. Its such a deep conversation. So for me I try to trust the plan. I try to make my conscious decisions but to deeply consider the outcomes or trust my gut and not decide things purely out of emotion. I think something guides our decisions. We just have to listen. So how long do I want to live? Its not up to me and it can't be because my decision will always be wrong. If I pick 100 I will have needed 101 or overstayed. Would I extend my life through transhumanism? I don't think so. I think thats a universe changing decision way out of my pay grade. All I can say is if I am on my death bed and my son or wife asked me to do it just to be part of their life for longer I don't know what I would say. I like to think I would be at peace with my mortality but we don't really know until we're faced with the situation. I prefer to live in a world where that decision doesn't exist. I have made peace with those deaths in my life. I'm at peace with those I lost. It does make me sad and I miss them dearly but it is final. Permanent. Out of my control and I just have to accept that it is, and the reasons are beyond my ability to understand or reason. So this may be totally nonsensical but it's my ramblings that could go on infinantly. I'm pretty sure some really old smart AF people have been talking about this since communication was a thing. Steve certainly doesn't have the answers. I just accept its greater than me and I don't believe I should be messing with the system. It has repercussions not just on myself but everyone around me.
To find your path in life, if you feel you no longer have one, relax yourself as much as you can and listen to what goes on in your head and after a while, ask your 'higher self' or your intuition, your I Am presence, whatever you want to call, it to show you what paths you can take, you'll be surprised at what eventually comes up if you do this a few time, sincerely believing that you do have a higher self or intuition.
Blessings to you, may your search bear beautiful fruit.
First, I made an error on the last question... I meant to choose "none of the above"... No I do not believe you are being too critical of the "transhumanist" crowd... and I can think of no better example of their stupidity than the example given in the link to Sadhguru... "If you really want to curse someone, do not wish them death; wish them endless life. Just imagine, after ten thousand years, still walking the same planet, still trying to do the same stupid things, how would it be. What a curse it is!"... People such as the Transhumanist Billionaires you mentioned above are simply cowards that have no genuine imagination or perception of value in anything outside of their own temporal reality. I actually feel a genuine sympathy for them... slightly as it were... but nonetheless genuine.
I chose 'other' for the first question because 1000 is too long and 100 is not long enough.
I am thinking somewhere around 200 would be good. The reason for that being that it seems to me that 100 years is just not quite long enough to progress as a human being. ie. grow and heal emotionally, spiritually and then have the time to refine and utilize your self improvements. It seems to me that by the time a person now has lived long enough to learn lessons, they die and never get to even pass on those lessons learned to the next generation, much less make personal use of them. One caveat I would enter here though is that I would want to be physically young enough to live a good life for that long. Being in a decrepit state by 80 and then being that way for the next 120 years would not be worth it.
My above statements also answer the second question.
So I have started writing this a couple times and been called away, meaning I might now sound disjointed as I struggle to recover my thought processes….! I voted 100 (I’d like to make it past 100, maybe 110!), and that I would be willing to make lifestyle and diet adjustments to get there. My willingness to suit up transhuman style is nil, zero, nada, no way, step away from me with the microchips please. As for what to do with my time? Well I did vote planting forests…… but also considered read every book…… and mostly should have gone for “other”, all of which intimate what I’m really about - nurturing, caring, growing things, reading for pleasure and learning and the pleasure of learning.
I have over the years settled on healthy longevity as a real focus of my health pursuit as it has just crystallised that way for me. I don’t think I thought too much about it in my twenties, now I am 43 and I have watched people and animals exit this mortal coil, and I have five children of varying ages including a teenager and a small toddler. Highly functional, quality long life is a real goal for me. It is actually very humbling to arrive at that desire, at least the way I’ve travelled. Unlike arriving there with the arrogance to manipulate technology to get what you think you want. And this is what I would like to do with that time - what I am doing, only more and better. I have realised with a kind of weight of responsibility to it, that, whatever anyone thinks of it, my own wellness and survival matter a lot to a whole bunch of people - even if they might not think of it, and sometimes they do. I am a stay at home, home educating mum to many, a wife, a home maker - very humble career choice especially in today’s world, especially as a low income family. I am in no way exceptional, special, better than anyone else, or even as good as many - yet I have been chosen to be their person, for these few, and, in humility, I have become very conscious that without me, six other lives would lose a foundation they depend on. I am aware that I have the privilege of providing nurturing care, love, peace, sustenance and guidance to a handful of beautiful young minds, hearts and bodies and support and nurture to the man who saw fit to live with me and love with me. I want to be able to do this until I am very old, without missing a beat. Ergo, my health matters. I want to be healthy, able, in sound mind and body, with a happy, joyful and peaceful spirit for my whole long life, if I am given that in grace. If that prayer is answered.
I can contribute by taking my diet, exercise and spiritual health and well-being seriously, something I am constantly learning about. So onwards. Luckily, giving to and caring for others can contribute to that wellness. Generosity has been shown to improve longevity ( https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-generosity-may-help-you-be-happier-and-live-longer/ ), aren’t humans totally amazing?!
Personally, I cannot fathom messing with the biology that has synchronistically and creatively coalesced into our human experience in order to serve a transhuman dream-mare. Along the way, I have discovered for myself that health always lies down a route of sense and understanding and resonance and caring for the body’s processes - I have witnessed and experienced first hand the wonders of homeopathy, herbs, dietary interventions, leaving well alone (hello fever) and I do think there’s a place for humbly considering one or two more “biohacky” type things - supplements (especially vitamin D for us northerners, but there are others - everyone needs a good magnesium salts bath now and then), natural skincare (all the beautiful oils and balms of nature are all you need really), and near infrared light is interesting….
Beyond these there are pharmaceuticals and from both personal experience and research, their use is patchy and their necessity rare. Yes - there are certainly situations of pharmaceutical need, yet these moments are vanishingly rare compared with how often they are actually claimed. As one commentator I greatly admire said “no one ever got cancer for a lack of chemotherapy.” (Source on request!) Oh so true.
There are methodologies to accentuate health that most are only even vaguely aware of (I am a massage therapist, and massage, and facscia release can be so supportive of wellbeing and health) - lymphatic drainage also springs to mind. Yet first thing we have been trained to reach for is a helpful little petroleum pill laced with something that once might have had something to do with a plant…. Pharma sits just about a rung below the start of the transhuman ladder. Medicine and healing extrapolated to its own outer limits and heading into a dodgy ether, where manipulation of the target material into a new something is envisaged and that vision massaged into something further down that path. One that bifurcated very far back from transfiguration into peak humanity. I personally believe the whole transhuman project is inherently very evil. Not everyone caught up in it even is aware of the evil, but some are. I can elaborate as to why I feel that way, but I think I have written quite enough! The insidiousness of the “advancements” that take us further and further from ourselves come from a place of such arrogance and spiritual poverty and degradation that is wholly horrifying, and a path not to be tried or trod by those of character, moral fibre or humble human awareness. The hazy space where humans and AI gradually lose their boundaries and meld into some abomination of life is a frontier which many are aiming to breach, and I feel that steering fast in the other direction is called for.
Bring me a little coracle and some oars, let’s make for the edge of the world.
Perhaps that is what is needed to manifest anything, be it material or a state of being, is purposefulness? A doubtful approach is something that 'may be' with a question attached...will it be? Whereas purposefully envisioning something, as if it already IS appears to be the trick ! Having the vision in your minds eye.
It takes practice. I've had quite a bit of success over the years , but nowhere near enough for my satisfaction, as the 'beliefs' I was brought up with have taken years to dispel and so often got in the way of my determination and imaginings, but being the eternal optimist, I carry on and my own life could be so much worse than I've managed to make it. Though I still have an awful lot to learn... Carry on truckin'!
I would live to an age where I become physically and mentally done
I would use my years to educate people about real health and “medicine”
No chance in hell I would “upgrade”
They simultaneously try to sell assisted suicide to the plebs and eternal life to the ‘elites’—that’s how much they care. 😆
I like the idea of living to 120-150, because I feel like I was about 50 before I ever started to understand anything of great significance about the world. So that would give me another good chuck of time to figure out what to do about all I’ve managed to figure out. But not with any enhancements of any kind, except glasses. Not even a walker, thank you very much! Problem is, I don’t like what I see, the corruption and decay and abuse of nature just getting worse decade after decade.
It’s not just how do we keep good health for a century plus, but how to we keep up some hope for that long?
I like this. I very much relate to the late blooming - that’s me. Didn’t even know what I wanted til late in my thirties and still figuring it out now. Personally I would like a lot more time being vital and productive - I really dislike the messaging that you are kind of past it by your forties and fifties that seems so prevalent in society - I feel like I only just got here really, in a way.
This came to mind —
“"Anyone who looks without theoretical preconception at the many ways that aging manifests in nature realizes that aging is a biological function. It is not a bug but a feature of the software. Aging is an epigenetic program.
Selfish genes are not compatible with a stable ecosystem. I was able to demonstrate this with mathematical models, and I consider this to be my principal contribution to science. Selfish genes very rapidly destroy the ecosystem in which they appear. This is how natural selection has so ruthlessly eliminated the selfish gene.
The fact that individual animals share a prey population ties their destinies tightly and inextricably together in a way that changes the fundamentals of evolutionary dynamics. All animals are forced to cooperate to preserve the pool of plants or animals on which their future depends. Selfish genes inevitably lead to overconsumption. No one can afford to be ruled by selfish genes.
The requirement of ecosystem stability changes everything about evolution, which is ultimately everything we understand about biology. Biology can only be understood in the context of evolution, and evolution can only be understood in the context of ecosystems. For four billion years, natural selection has been in the business of creating robust, homeostatic ecosystems. The scope of the “selfish gene” in this picture is limited indeed."
Josh Mittledorf
https://mitteldorf.substack.com/p/maybe-it-should-be-called-universe?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=email&fbclid=IwY2xjawFmUvtleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHZJVOcgwMttIJnl3Thh_1NIqLB1VpywaINov4TnvLWjzzaTjEBnYsatO0A_aem_3OMKTvznqtzu6kUZkMjXAg
There was a study or an analysis that came out maybe 20 years ago that stated the human body is capable of regenerating itself for about 120 years. I feel that is the lifespan we are made for, and conditions on earth have not allowed us to optimize that for quite some time. Now we are conditioned to see chronic disease and loss of function as normal aspects of aging. I don't believe they are. I think we're designed to stay fairly healthy until we "wear out" at something like 120--no tech or extraordinary measures needed (and none wanted). I am 73 so at that rate, I still have close to 50 years to practice healthy eating and living habits, which I expect I can do, being very healthy at this time. My plan is to live every day to the fullest, be myself, and contribute to the world where I can. And not fear death but accept that humans are not meant to live forever in these bodies. Peter Thiel is a ghoul in my opinion.
Ori Hefkler feels that 120 is a very natural sort of a biological age for a human. I wish you much health and happiness and a bright future.
Thank you! I believe it's a worthy goal.
I think we do live forever even if not in our existing physical bodies...energy can neither be added to nor diminished, it can only change, it is said, and being alive is energy manifesting not only as our physical being, but also as our breath and heartbeats, as the electrics coursing through our bodies, and it has been said that with our last breath a tiny amount of weight leaves the body, is that weight leaving, the departure of what we call our soul? I think it may well be and it is that which rejoins the 'All' and can re-incarnate again.
I really think that as the bible apparently says, God is 'within', God is All, yes and each of us is an expression of that amazing endlessly creative All, or God, whatever you want to call that energy. I like to call it Infinite Spirit and we are in no way disconnected from it. To me it seems that God is experimenting with infinite possibilities, and therein lies our free will. The pathways can be toward good and the light, or towards evil and darkness, being expressions of God we have this free will to see where imagining at this our current earthly vibration of existence will lead us, we can choose all through our earthly existence. So far we have let the vibrations of ugliness, pain and war, of 'us against them rule our manifestation, but it is said we are now entering the age of Aquarius, another part of the cosmos with different energies at 'play', this energy is at first chaotic, but eventually leads to love, how long the chaos last may well be up to our free will?
Anyways I thought I'd like to live to be 120, but only if I stay fit, absolutely no 'enhancements', other than healthy food, exercise and clean water and air, good companions and a garden. Some travelling if there are no vax passports etc!
I would like to live as long as I am mentally competent, and physically able to engage in basic tasks of independent living. Living in the country, with clean air and clean water, and gorgeous surroundings is important to me. Self sufficiency combined with making a positive contribution to the health and well-being of my local society is a lifelong goal. Finding "my people" makes it all worthwhile. Not interested in robotic enhancements--the global elite can have the extra spare parts and programs they would like to give me....:)
Very well said
I would be happy to live as long as is required. Reincarnation is hard work and it might in some respects be easier to manage things in one lifetime if it was long enough.
The task at hand would be to cancel all possible karma with every other soul that is still outstanding. This being a prerequisite to be freed from the wheel of death and rebirth and realize final union with the creator.
I would not be prepared to use systems that are not predictable (GMO me) or cannot maintain a connection to my soul (upload). While I am a bit old fashioned and squeamish about the cyborg thing I do not think it is fundamentally or karmicly different from getting a titanium hip joint so within limits of improving myself on my own terms that could be an option.
I would never choose to live forever given my spiritual believes. I am a strong believer of the souls journey and reincarnation for the advancement of spirit. Like many others, I am not as fearful of death as I have this outlook and don’t feel the need to scramble around trying to prolong it beyond its natural means. However, if I could magically live for a couple hundred years would I do it? I am leaning towards no as I have built up a great life that has been made great as I get to share it with my partner, friends and family. You could just cycle through these people every half century etc but I would personally feel the loss immensely and would rather my life take its course. I can see the benefit of living 200 years as you could explore and learn so much about the world and self, it’s just not for me. In regards to what I’d do with my time, I’d just carry on with what I already do, regenerating the land and trying to surround myself with good people :)
I believe that these transhumanists are very fearful of the ego death, the majority of their lives they have been talked about profusely and surrounded by immense material wealth. The lack of spiritual awareness or belief in something greater than themselves has causes this disease. I also believe that some of these people are into the occult and they have their own way of navigating life! To me, they are just delaying the inevitable by fighting the natural state of the world, of which there is no escape.
Wow. How do you comment on these choices? I would say my mood and life situation would dictate how I feel at that moment. I have been deeply effected by death my entire adult life. Not to go into great detail but I was a Paramedic/Firefighter for over 25 years in a busy urban environment so I've seen more death than I care to remember. I also lost a wife and a newborn during childbirth. My 2 best friends from high school are dead, my brother, all my grands but my parents are still living. I have always been fascinated with people's outlook of death and their emotional reaction to it. To me its determined timing. I think I'll go when I'm meant to go. My reluctance to go is the pain my loved ones will suffer. I'd like to be around to see my surviving son and his life unfold. I'm in a very unusual transition in my life where I feel purposeless. I had a purpose and that part of my life is over but unfortunately I haven't found the next purpose other than to be present for my loved ones. Not something I hold any expertise in. If I took them out of the equation, I wonder if I already did what I was meant to do with my time on earth. I wonder if its ok to be done with this period of my spiritual existence. When I consider that I feel sad that I could miss my sons life and my wife would be horribly sad (I think lol). That gives me the motivation to continue to find some meaning and purpose to motivate me to contribute to humanity in some way. If it was just me, I've had a good run. There's some great experiences and stories so if its my time, I'm ok with that. At peace with it. But................I don't think my loves are ready so I accept that as well. I have no idea what my mission is in this life but I am confident that when it's complete and I have served my purpose my existence will end to make room for the next, or to move on to whatever I'm destined for. I don't believe in pushing the plan out of balance too much. I think we have choice but within parameters. What those are is beyond my minds ability to understand. If I mess with the system too much I push everything out of balance and the paths become a type domino effect. My choice to push hard and make a drastic choice will ultimately alter the universe in some little way. A good example of this would be the choice to take my own life. I think a choice like that rocks the very core of the universe I'm involved in and has massive reverberations throughout. How will that effect my son, his future, his family, my unfound purpose or unknown purpose. Granted there's nuance in the situation around that. Perhaps I'm terminally ill and have given up any hope for recovery. That would bring another decision process to determine how that decision would ripple the pond. Its such a deep conversation. So for me I try to trust the plan. I try to make my conscious decisions but to deeply consider the outcomes or trust my gut and not decide things purely out of emotion. I think something guides our decisions. We just have to listen. So how long do I want to live? Its not up to me and it can't be because my decision will always be wrong. If I pick 100 I will have needed 101 or overstayed. Would I extend my life through transhumanism? I don't think so. I think thats a universe changing decision way out of my pay grade. All I can say is if I am on my death bed and my son or wife asked me to do it just to be part of their life for longer I don't know what I would say. I like to think I would be at peace with my mortality but we don't really know until we're faced with the situation. I prefer to live in a world where that decision doesn't exist. I have made peace with those deaths in my life. I'm at peace with those I lost. It does make me sad and I miss them dearly but it is final. Permanent. Out of my control and I just have to accept that it is, and the reasons are beyond my ability to understand or reason. So this may be totally nonsensical but it's my ramblings that could go on infinantly. I'm pretty sure some really old smart AF people have been talking about this since communication was a thing. Steve certainly doesn't have the answers. I just accept its greater than me and I don't believe I should be messing with the system. It has repercussions not just on myself but everyone around me.
To find your path in life, if you feel you no longer have one, relax yourself as much as you can and listen to what goes on in your head and after a while, ask your 'higher self' or your intuition, your I Am presence, whatever you want to call, it to show you what paths you can take, you'll be surprised at what eventually comes up if you do this a few time, sincerely believing that you do have a higher self or intuition.
Blessings to you, may your search bear beautiful fruit.
Thank you for your reply!! I do a version of this but your explanation seems much more purposeful.
First, I made an error on the last question... I meant to choose "none of the above"... No I do not believe you are being too critical of the "transhumanist" crowd... and I can think of no better example of their stupidity than the example given in the link to Sadhguru... "If you really want to curse someone, do not wish them death; wish them endless life. Just imagine, after ten thousand years, still walking the same planet, still trying to do the same stupid things, how would it be. What a curse it is!"... People such as the Transhumanist Billionaires you mentioned above are simply cowards that have no genuine imagination or perception of value in anything outside of their own temporal reality. I actually feel a genuine sympathy for them... slightly as it were... but nonetheless genuine.