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Beata's avatar

Your whole point of view is based on two private Amazon listings' jacked up prices and the fact that many people have found Dr Cutler's protocol as the only safe alternative after having tried other options. IT DOES NOT mean that it is the only safe protocol, but that it is the only safe one we know of.

I'm one of many extremely harmed by natural foods chelation, which you keep conveniently discounting alongside others' testimonials.

Pasting again the link to severe adverse reactions to cilantro and chlorella in mercury toxic people. https://cutlersuccessstories.weebly.com/what-not-to-do.html#cilantrochlorella

I'm amazed that you have reached those conclusions without having studied the research which you have completely ignored. Also, from the beginning you have used pejorative language to describe Dr Cutler's work, which speaks for itself on how you have approached this conversation.

Contrary to what you've written about me, it is you who lack open-mindedness and religiously adheres to your current level of knowledge.

If you know of other safe protocols to which you keep alluding why aren't you sharing the knowledge?

The Mercury Detoxification Manual

Price $40

https://shop.maybeitsmercury.com/index.php/product/the-mercury-detoxification-manual/

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

Price $95

https://noamalgam.com/product/amalgam-illness-diagnosis-and-treatment/

Amazon price of $100 for Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

https://www.amazon.com/Amalgam-Illness-Andrew-Hall-Cutler/dp/0967616832

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

My point of view is based on my experience witnessing many individuals that are professionals in the allopathic medicine industry scamming people (thus, now I am careful, skeptical and suspicious of those that say "my path to healing is the only safe method and everything else will kill you! (now pay up or I will not share the life saving info)".

It may well be that Cutler was a great guy and his protocol is great, though it is always wise to ask the hard questions when one is dealing with individuals looking to declare they have a monopoly on the only effective product on the market and then selling it to people.

I am glad the protocol worked for you and it is very unfortunate that you had a weird reaction to eating natural foods. I am glad you are okay now. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

I have not seen that reaction in those people I know that eat natural chelation foods, but everyone is different.

Thanks for the links.

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Beata's avatar

Your lack of empathy for human suffering is quite disturbing, and your use of hyperbolic language speaks for itself.

For the last time ever, what I am saying is that, having tried multiple protocols, Dr Cutler's protocol is the only safe one I know of, not that it's the only safe one in the totality of existence.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

When you say nonsense things about how I lack empathy for humans, this makes me suspicious that you are not just a concerned hyper-focused substacker that had a strange experience with cilantro, but rather are on a crusade of sorts or part of an advertising campaign.

I took the time to write this post (and many others like it) without asking anything in return, I do not do paywalls, I am not selling supplements or protocols, and I send people free heirloom seeds to help them start to grow their own food and medicine. I have to say, lacking empathy is a new one as far as random insults slung at me via the internet.

Like I said, I am glad the protocol worked for you.

I think people should do their own research, ask their own questions, and look at historical dietary, and ancient ethnobotanical info, cross reference with modern industrial medical info, make their own decision and do what works best for their own body.

I wish you well and thank you again for the links.

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Beata's avatar

Your communication patterns show signs of classic control tactics, rendering my warnings mute.

Still, a discerning reader seeking natural knowledge will be able to see the truth.

Everything I had to say I said honestly and truthfully.

May the Harmony of Nature be with you.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Offering information that empowers people to have resources for doing their own research and come to their own informed decision about health and using food as medicine is the opposite of controlling, but thanks for sharing your feelings.

Thanks very much for sharing your truth.

I wish you harmony as well.

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Beata's avatar

Thank you for replying.

Yes, Dr Cutler created a website, wrote three books, and there's also a Facebook group ("ACC - Andy Cutler Chelation: Safe Mercury and Heavy Metal Detox") where some of the most generous people who have recovered create amazing support for getting through the hurdles safely. There are also many manuals for free plus a lot of other stuff when you join.

Having exhausted the medical system, the heavily mercury poisoned Dr Cutler, embarked on an astounding research. Soon there were people who began seeking his help.

I own two of his books: The Mercury Detoxification Manual and Amalgam Illness, which I consider master pieces.

Link for the books

https://andycutlerbooks.net/

There's one major problem with naturally occurring compounds like cilantro, their half life cannot be determined, and half life of a compound is the determining factor in creating a safe schedule to prevent and minimize redistribution. Also, because mercury cannot be measured in the way required for natural foods compounds research on chelation those studies are compromised at best. In my opinion, it's like playing Russian roulette, I happened to get the bullet while some might be unaffected or sometimes even helped. Since we don't know who gets the bullet, I keep sharing this information to prevent massive neurological damage suffered by some of us.

The quote from The Mercury Detoxification Manual page 29

"Mercury hides away in the brain and other organs. It is impossible to measure it without biopsies after death. Blood tests are misleading, as mercury will only stay in the blood for a few months after an acute exposure. If you have a long-term exposure such as amalgam fillings, blood and urine levels can be low while organ levels are dramatically elevated. There is no test you can use to see how much mercury you have. You can't monitor your progress by chelating for a few months and then test again to see how much has been removed. You must use symptoms as your guide."

In the link below you'll find countless stories on how people got hurt by cilantro, chlorella, alpha lipoic acid used without a very precise schedule and such. Unfortunately, there are no studies on this for the reasons I mentioned earlier. This is not the area of my expertise, so if you want to discuss it more please contact the people in the ACC group.

I could also put you in touch with a top researcher of mercury and autism in Poland, Piotr Witczak, who could easily provide you with thousands of relevant studies. He also works with the ACC protocol.

https://cutlersuccessstories.weebly.com/what-not-to-do.html

In the Cutler's protocol there are three substances used: ALA (alpha lipoic acid), which is the foundational, and DMSA, DMPS used on very precise schedules once the body has been adequately prepared.

If in the future you'd like to write a piece on this, I'd be happy to introduce you to Andy’s partner and Rebecca Lee, the co-author of the manual. Though you can also get in touch with them on Facebook. And one more thing, since so many people have been harmed by other protocols or even ACC used improperly, they meticulously adhere to it. And knowing what happened to me, I'm incredibly grateful for their extremely cautious precision.

Thank you so much for your interest!

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SōL's avatar

Man, I don’t know where you came from, but you just popped up on Substack and I am hooked!!! I literally cannot stop reading and absorbing your content. I am definitely picking up what you are putting down and am very much so looking forward to soaking it all in. Keep up the good work!! You are much appreciated and valued, thank you for your energy.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

I came from the stars! (well, we all did in a way ;) https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/the-story-of-the-animati-astra-terram )

Thanks for the comment! So glad you are resonating with the content I have put together on here and finding it to be helpful :)

If you are into gardening, cooking and preserving I also have a physical (and digital) book that offers a holistic journey from seed to table.

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Carol Jean's avatar

Thank you so much for all your work on researching this. Allow me to say this, as someone who still has amalgam fillings (unfortunately) I cannot tolerate Cilantro -and other high thiol foods - because it does move mercury. And moves it to a less desirable place, possibly. It does not move mercury out of the body. Therefore, I would caution anyone with amalgams against using cilantro, chlorella, spirulina, garlic, NAC, glutathione - as all these can move mercury, but they're not strong enough to hold onto it and escort it out of the body which can cause more problems for someone already mercury toxic.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

One of the studies I read leading up to this post :

"The Long-Term Algae Extract (Chlorella) Supplementation Modulate SOD-1 Activity and Decrease Heavy Metals (Hg++, Sn) Levels in Patients with Long-Term Dental Titanium Implants and Amalgam Fillings Restorations"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31014007/

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Hi Carol, you are most welcome, I am glad you appreciate the research and time I put into posts like this.

Based on your experiences and research can you offer any suggestions for others that have amalgam fillings (which does not involve expensive surgery/dental operations and does not involve synthetic and/or lab made substances that are unable to accessed/created in a decentralized manner) who are also interested in chelating heavy metals from their bloodstream and other tissues?

Can you offer any links to pertinent research and tests that have been done which show how cilantro taken in conjunction with chlorella can move mercury into "a less desirable place" (but not all the way out of the body) ?

Based on the research I have seen Chlorella is a mercury magnet, and it has a fibrous, indigestible outer shell that grabs mercury and secures it. Chlorella is not digested–it moves mercury through the body for it to be ready for safe and effective elimination. The data I have seen shows that Cilantro, on the other hand, helps with elimination. It naturally moves mercury.

Several herbalists and a couple naturopaths I have talked to locally suggested combining chlorella and cilantro as it allows them to work together effectively to trap and eliminate mercury. They said that it is very important to note that chlorella and cilantro should be taken at the same time to ensure that mobilized mercury won’t be reabsorbed by the body.

I would be interested to learn more from the data you have seen that indicates that when one has amalgam fillings the combination of those two can lead to problematic results.

I have noticed there are a few doctors out there that are selling expensive (synthetic substance and/or trademarked and not DIY-able) Chelation therapy protocols/products and they seem to be some of the most adamantly opposed to using cheap, widely available and whole food based heavy metal detox methods (their conflict of interest in that matter makes me suspicious of their motives but perhaps there was some truth to their criticisms of cilantro and blue green algae specifically?).

I am always open to learning something new though, and would appreciate any data, studies and independently confirmed tests you can offer in that regard.

Thanks for the comment.

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Beata's avatar

Hi Gavin, I've just found your work through the Corbett Report's link and I'm blown away! Connecting food with the Earth's health and wholeness is one of the most important aspects of healing ourselves and this beautiful planet. It's also dear to my heart. (I've been studying organic intelligence for over five years among many other things that Corbett works on.)

I've been thinking of getting your book, but since at present I'm on a heavily restricted diet required specifically by my body to chelate heavy metals, I'm not sure if I could use it. Is it possible to learn more what's inside?

I appreciate the research you've done on EMF very much! It's thorough and solid! You are also right about the chelation of heavy metals when it comes to short-term or "light" poisoning or people with body chemistry which is not heavily compromised. However, the information you provided on cilantro, chlorella, algae, seaweed, sulfur-rich foods, garlic, may be extremely harmful for many. I am one such person, who by well-intentioned yet unaware holistic doctor's orders took chlorella, kelp and cilantro, plus sulfur-rich foods for a long time, which caused massive neurological damage twenty years ago in my system, especially brain (cilantro can move mercury directly into the brain, which happened to me) and from which I'm only beginning to recover thanks to the amazing work of a chemist Dr Andrew Cutler.

It is does not mean that everyone will be harmed. But that there's a significant number of people who experience extreme adverse reactions to warrant a stop in spreading this information. There's a profound lack of accountability in and funding of research on mercury and heavy metals. Too much is at stake as mercury - the most non-radioactive toxic substance known to us - has become ubiquitous through the alchemical use of many secret societies and religions on different continents.

The only reason why I wrote to you is to prevent those who might follow the advice in your article and end up with a severe adverse reactions.

This is a very complex subject and it's not one-size-fits-all. I'd be happy to share more if you're interested.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Thanks for the kind words and thanks for sharing regarding your concerns about natural whole food based chelation methods Beata.

Does the amazing work of a chemist Dr Andrew Cutler offer a product (and/or books) people can buy which is 'safer and more effective' than naturally occurring compounds found in whole foods?

If so, what do these items cost?

I am willing to learn something new and would appreciate any studies you can provide that pertain to the severe adverse reactions you describe with eating cilantro and blue green algae.

Thanks.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

So looks like I found one of Andrew Cutler's products (and recipes for his "Cutler chelation protocol") on amazon.

It is a short book titled "Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment" (Paperback) and the price for the book is 654.99$ CAD (per copy).

Then I found his other book "The Mercury Detoxification Manual: A Guide to Mercury Chelation" listed from 120.00$ and up. (again a short book, so totally unreasonable).

That seems pretty fishy to me. I am a self-published author so I know what printing books costs.

If the Cutler protocol can help people, and those that own the "intellectual property" for this knowledge want to help people, why are they hording this knowledge and gouging people for it?

This makes me suspicious of what the man is claiming and selling.

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Beata's avatar

I'm surprised by your reply and why you'd think they're hording knowledge and gouging people for it. The Amazon prices you've just given me are not the ones I get. I get normal prices.

I've just written at length replying to your other post so I'm not going to repeat myself. I don't know why you got such exorbitant prices on Amazon. I just checked them myself and The Manual costs $50 (directly from Andy's website $40) while

Amalgam Illness $95, both on Anazon and Andy's website, and it's a big book with a lot of heavy technical reading!! IT IS NOT a short book! But please check my other reply where I shared the info on the Facebook group where you can access many manuals for free.

And I've never encountered more generous and knowledgeable support in my life then on ACC Facebook group. Please check everything thoroughly and don't get swayed by strange Amazon politics or glitch.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Thanks for the additional info, i`ll dig up the links to the crazy expensive books that came up on my search when I have time.

Glad to hear that other options are available and you had a positive experience with the protocol.

Is there any way to create the materials used in the protocol at home?

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Beata's avatar

If I knew how I'd send you a screenshot from the Amazon website.

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Beata's avatar

Hmmm... I just checked Amazon and The Manual costs $50 while Amalgam Illness is $98. How did you get those exorbitant prices?

I would attach a screenshot if I could.

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Duchess's avatar

Sincere thanks. Blown away by the info. So very generous of you...can't wait for the gardening information. Thank you very much.

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Johrey M.'s avatar

Gardening information? Is there a place where Gavin gives gardening information?

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

yes indeed there is! ;)

https://recipesforreciprocity.com/

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