Beings and energies from other places in the galaxy and universe have been here for a very long time. I’m not sure they needed or used “space ships” to travel. Some of them have interfered with life on this planet for eons and are still trying to do that now. Others are positive in their impact. Both are walking among us. The current focus on UFOs or UAPs is part of a psyop to make us afraid and thereby increase control, and to distract us from seeing what the nefarious ones are doing to manipulate our DNA for the final time so we go docilely into being transhuman.
I think there is a lot of truth in what you said here.
I do think that some use physical craft to transverse the vastness of interstellar space, others do not require any technology at all to do that. I have witnessed the craft of some visitors at close range on a couple occasions and I can tell you that they are not composed of materials like we are familiar with here on Earth. The forms that the craft take are seamless, no rivets or bolts like human tech, almost as if they grew the craft or manifested these objects in their whole form all at once.
RE: "Some of them have interfered with life on this planet for eons and are still trying to do that now. Others are positive in their impact."
Agreed, though based on what I have learned in my personal experiences I would say that the interfering and self -interested civilizations are actually the minority (and they are far less advanced then the ones with compassionate intent).
I have seen evidence that a limited number of some members of one technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization in particular, did engage with primitive humans in our ancient past (for selfish reasons).
In my Childhood’s End article I said
“The most advanced and ancient of the interstellar species that are here now appear to be part of a collective of civilizations that work in concert toward their common goals (which among other things) include assisting younger species make the transition into safely moving beyond the confines of their planet and engaging with their neighbors. I have also learned that (though Dr. Steven Greer seems to avoid acknowledging this reality) there are less advanced interstellar civilizations which visit (and have visited) here as well (with the members of their species possessing varying degrees of integrity, compassion and social maturity) but these rogues make up a minority and though some of the individual members of these civilizations have engaged in somewhat nefarious activities, these are the actions of rogue criminals, and not representative of the intent nor nature of their respective species (nor the civilization/world they originated from) as a whole.”
The so called “Anunnaki” would fall into the latter category.
From the geological, archeological and written documentation evidence I have seen, those rogue individuals (from a specific extraterrestrial culture) ended up engaging in a massive war (between factions of their own ‘people’) that involved weapons of mass destruction.
For example, there were discoveries made which provided physical evidence that scientists say “proves there was technology present which artificially induced nuclear fission over 8000 years ago on planet earth”. One of the findings was when a company was doing surveying for a new uranium mine in Africa and found that some of the uranium was fused at an atomic level. But the more compelling evidence is when in 1992 scientists discovered a heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covering a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. After investigating the site, where a housing development was being built, they unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people.
Then there are the ancient tales speak of flying vimanas. Vimanas were real vehicles and the origin of the ‘Aeroplanes.’ Great wars were described in early religious texts. Source: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/mbs/index.htm)
Weapons were described to literally level the land like a moving force field. In ancient India, we find words for certain measurements of length; one was the distance of light-years and one was the length of an atom. Only a society that possessed nuclear energy would have the need for such words. When Oppenheimer said ‘I am become the destroyer of worlds,’ he was quoting from these ancient books.
Some scientists are now theorizing that the deserts on a number of continents today are the result of (prehistoric) nuclear warfare.
Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. “The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees,” says Ganguli. Here are a few illuminating verses from the ancient Mahabharata texts: ” …a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour… a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds… …the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols… ..it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. …The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours All foodstuffs were infected… …to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.” Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet, they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion.
The unexplained destruction of Mohenjo Daro and Harappa are also worth examining more closely for uncovering indications that a massive war between rogue factions of the above described civilization may have indeed taken place.
The remnants of two ancient civilizations in the Indus Valley of modern day Pakistan and India have puzzled archeologists for decades. These cities were both deserted suddenly, coincidentally around the time of the construction of the great pyramids in Egypt, despite having been thriving centers of technology and culture for centuries. Mohenjo Daro, in particular, appears to have been flattened, or collapsed after 600 years of being inhabited. Could this have been the location of what may have been an ancient nuclear war?
Mohenjo Daro and Harappa are anomalous not just because of their desertion by the people who lived there, but also because of their incredibly advanced technology and decentralized, secular society. Archeologists have determined that the layout of these two massive cities shows evidence of an egalitarian civilization with no distinct hierarchy or elite ruling class and was likely governed by elected officials. The ruins of Mohenjo Daro show careful urban planning, advanced irrigation and drainage systems, and a 900 sq. foot, watertight, communal bath that was filled by the Indus river. This civilization spanned over 500 acres and supported a population of somewhere between 20,000 – 40,000 citizens.
Harappa, which came into ruin around the same time as Mohenjo Daro, was equally as advanced, with granaries, superstructures, and calculated trading practices. These civilizations had board games like chess, traded precious gems and jewelry, and valued cleanliness and hygiene. Both were civilizations with thriving cultures that disappeared suddenly and without explanation.
Excavations at Mohenjo Daro unearthed the skeletons of a family holding hands, appearing to have been flattened with rubble and ash covering them as if they had died in an abrupt and unforeseen event. Some accounts (described in a comment above) say that a layer of radioactive ash was found in the soil before the site was dug up, adding to the theory of a nuclear event that could have been the cause of destruction of this ancient city.
I found it illuminating to do a direct comparison between the brahmastra (the weapon described as a “single projectile charged with all the power in the universe” which is described in the ancient Vedic texts quoted in a comment above) and destruction is the aftermath of the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After Trinity, the U.S. didn’t waste any time deploying the new atomic technology — less than three weeks later, on Aug. 6, 1945, the U.S. Air Force dropped an atomic weapon, nicknamed “Little Boy,” on Hiroshima, Japan. Immediately, a reported 70,000 people were killed, with another 140,000 dying of radiation poisoning by 1946.
The core destruction radius was about a mile around ground zero. Fires were reported across an additional 4.4 sq. miles. Humans and animals in the blast zone turned to carbon, echoing the words of the Mahabharata; “corpses so burned as to be unrecognizable.”
When the Trinity team discovered the green glass in the bomb craters, they named the material “Trinitite.” The glass also called “nuclear,” “atomic,” and “desert” glass, was formed when silica sand was heated to temperatures above 1,700 degrees centigrade by the blast.
After the Trinity test, engineer Albion Hart noticed that the Trinitite was identical to the material he had seen in the African desert decades earlier. He calculated that the size of the African glass deposit indicated a blast ten thousand times more powerful than the Trinity bomb. The similarities were dismissed, as no one believed an ancient or modern blast of those proportions as possible.
Earlier, In 1932, an Egyptian Geological Survey team member Patrick Clayton was driving across the desert near the Saad Plateau. He said he heard a “crunching” under the wheels of his car; unusual, in that he was driving on sand surfaces. He stopped and discovered large pieces of glass in the sand.
The glass has also been found under Neolithic, Sumerian, and Babylonian layers at archaeological sites in Iraq. Is it possible that an ancient civilization prior to the Neolithic period blew itself back to the stone age with nuclear devices?
Libyan desert glass deposits, estimated to be 28.5 million years old, stretch over 6,500 square kilometers into neighboring Egypt. The light green Libyan glass, called “the rock of god,” was so gem-like and crystal clear it was used in royal Egyptian jewelry. Ten thousand-year-old paleolithic tools made from desert glass have been found in Egypt and throughout North Africa.
Mainstream science asserts that desert glass (other than White Sands) is the product of ancient meteor and lightning strikes, but others have debunked these theories.
Meteor strikes leave impact craters and meteoric iron fragments as well as tektite stones, generally opaque gray or brown because of the presence of iron and other minerals. While a meteor may burn at temperatures hot enough to melt sand into the tektite glass, the remnants generally take the form of tiny glass “beads” rather than widespread layers and slabs.
Lightning can be hot enough to fuse silica, but the resulting glass takes the form of the strike tunneling into the ground and looks like many-branched coral with a sandy coating.
While the Trinity bomb left a crater, post-test bombs were detonated well above ground, as Oppenheimer’s team discovered mid-air detonation maximized damage. The Hiroshima bomb detonated at 600 meters (2,000 ft.) above ground, and the Nagasaki bomb exploded 500 meters (1,620 ft.) above ground. Aerial detonation minimizes ground craters, consistent with an absence of craters at desert glass deposits.
In recent history there have been several instances where nuclear missiles have been disabled and shut down by luminous spherical or disc shaped craft that arrived at high speed, hovered, shot beams of light which disabled the nukes, and then left at high speed strait up into the upper atmosphere.
In our current times perhaps we are being watched over to prevent this kind of crazy behavior from happening again (regardless of what beings are the ones looking to ‘pull the trigger’ this time around)?
The ancient Vedic texts, Egyptian mythology and Sumarian tablets are not unique in their describing ‘gods’ that came from the sky (or rather, beings that came from the stars).
Some cultures have a very different story to tell about extraterrestrial visitors they interacted with.
Many indigenous peoples all over the world claim cosmic origins, and they give great honor and homage to these “Star Nations.” The Dogon tribe of Africa traces its origins back to the star Sirius.
The Stones of Ica, discovered in a cave near Nazca, Peru, are said to be a library of a way of life of ancient peoples who cataloged their astrology, astronomy, geography, and agriculture 60 million years ago. The anthropologist who discovered the Stones of Ica, Dr. Javier Caberra, believed that the makers of the Ica Stones were from the same cultures as the First peoples of the Andes who built Tiahuanaco, a pre-Inkan civilization, and whose influence was felt throughout the Inkan empire.
The Pleiades star system is called the Seven Sisters because seven of its stars are visible to the naked eye. In reality, this star cluster actually contains more than 400 stars. Andean languages refer to the Pleiades as “seeds,” or the “Great Granary,” referring to the structures built into the sides of the mountains that stored food enough to feed the people for seven years, before the conquistadors destroyed them and brought an end to the golden age of the Inkan Empire.
The Lakota, Kiowa, Cheyenne and Hopi all have oral traditions related to their origination from the Star Cluster Pleiades. Hopi prophesy speaks of the return of the Blue Kachina Star Person at the end of this cycle of time, who will herald in the 5th age of man. The Hopi consider themselves descendants of Pleiadians, and hold green corn dances every year dedicated with seven ears of corn, from seven fields, representing seven clans.
To the peoples of the Andes, the Pleiades were particularly important in determining the seasons, and planning the planting and harvest of their crops. They were considered so important that the people continue to celebrate the Festival of the Return of the Stars, or Festival of Q’ollorit’i. This special ceremony is held every June, on the full moon, at 16,000 feet at the foot of a huge glacier on a sacred mountain or Apu, in Peru. It is attended annually by up to 80,000 pilgrims who travel from long distances to the Sacred Apu.
The ancient Mayan people taught that long ago their ancestors came from the stars. They spoke of how this is where their culture`s architecture, spiritual truth and mathematics came from. And they didn`t just point up at the sky, they specified a certain starsystem, a constellation that some now know as “the little dipper” and others know as “the seven sisters”, but the astronomers know it as the Pleiades.
The Mayans talk of a “road to the sky leading to the umbilicus of the Universe,” which is similar to Andean cultures that speak of a “luminous chord that connects the solar plexus to the sky.”
Stories of other worldly beings are also present in several African legends of creation, like the Zulu people, which means “sky” people.
It is also said that the Emperor Huang Ti, considered by many scholars to be behind cultural, social and economic development of China, attributed his vast knowledge to visits from beings from the Pleiades in 2537 BC.
Could these widespread mythical and culturally diverse historical references to beings from the sky (or from the “heavens”) be referring to actual physical intelligent beings that came to this world from elsewhere in the universe? Could the many descriptions of magic throughout history (often associated with a talisman or other physical object which was in the possession of a mythical being) in fact be the result of primitive peoples misinterpreting the various manifestations of advanced technology (being wielded by members of advanced interstellar civilizations) through their limited scope of understanding at the time?
This brings me to the current task at hand for our human family (leaving adolescence and coming into Cosmic Adulthood). Okay perhaps, it would be more realistic to say ‘leaving cosmic infancy and learning to crawl’ 🙂 but in essence what I am talking about is taking steps to face our ego issues, take an honest look at who and what we are as conscious beings, acknowledge the existence of the broader community we are a part of and then take responsibility for the mess we have allowed to fester on the Earth, clean it up and then one day, when we are ready, take steps towards engaging in overt, organized diplomatic efforts to amicably and symbiotically engage with our elder neighbors.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and ask that question.
Could you please elaborate on what you mean when you say distraction in this context?
As in, do you mean that there are no interstellar travel capable sentient beings visiting the Earth and the appearance of all the anomalous craft and witness testimony given by multitudes of different people in various professions is part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by humans in order to give people the impression that advanced interstellar travel capable beings are here, all so they can distract us from various nefarious human activities on Earth?
Or, are you saying that there are interstellar travel capable beings visiting here, and various nefarious human interests are capitalizing on the profound implication of that aspect of our reality by revealing evidence about it at key times, in order to distract from other activities they are engaged in on Earth?
Sure, aliens, I have seen some odd things myself (decades ago). But why just now all this news? Timing is everything, and in that aspect, as I triangulate, it sorta stinks a bit. Also, a few predicted they would roll this one out during this time of 'creating as many ripples as possible', again, in order to keep our energies dispersed and off the mass killing via the jabs. If aliens wanted to really take over or effect things, I don't think there would be much we could do anyway. Timing.
Okay so, just to be clear, it is the big government endorsed / mainstream media announcements regarding interstellar beings and their technology (like that congressional hearing I linked in the post above) that make you suspicious and inclined to think the only reason that info is being disseminated is in order to prevent us from becoming aware of nefarious activities being carried out by humans on Earth?
And, you acknowledge that beings from other star systems are visiting here, but you don't think they deserve paying any attention to because "if aliens wanted to really take over or effect things, I don't thing there would be much we could do anyway" ?
What about all the non government sponsored witness testimony (such as the 2001 Disclosure Project at the National Press Club) and all the people who have been coming forward of their own free will (who had nothing to gain and everything to lose) to share information (like these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0tg4E4CU70 and this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fag-ueBWdqQ ) in the years prior to and after events like the Disclosure Project leading up to present day? What do you think of that timing and the evidence and testimony they provided?
Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts.
Given that I believe it to be a distraction, I will not commit time to it. Here's how we'll know- in 3 months, either no one will be talking about it anymore, or, we will see aliens 'walking among us'. Betcha $1 the issue will fade.
Also, in your mind, is the fact that people are talking about something or not a determining factor of whether or not that topic is important and deserving of our attention?
Perhaps most "aliens" (I do not really like that term myself as it is attached to much xenophobic propaganda) will avoid openly engaging with humans and "walking among us" (in a way that we can be consciously aware of) until we get our act together?
Sometimes I wonder if people subconsciously allocate the subject of insterstellar beings and communities engaging humanity and the Earth into a category that is deemed "unimportant" or "crazy" etc as it is an aspect of our reality that makes them uncomfortable to face head on and honesty consider. Perhaps people declare that this subject is "unimportant", "all a government psyop" and/or "for tin foil hat people" as the choice to confront the existing evidence would force them to reconsider what it means to be human and reconsider their place in this universe (in a way that is threatening to the ego). I am not saying that is you, but it feels like a motivating factor when I deal with many people on this topic.
I especially found this quote from the transcript to be very apt, illuminating and true with regards to what I have observed in many being confronted by this aspect of our reality (the thriving interstellar community that is all around us) recently:
“People have a natural defense mechanism to protect themselves from shell shock. They’ll just either flat out deny it, they’ll label it as conspiracy theory, or they’ll just put it in a separate bin of their mind that says, yeah, that’s just an anomaly, whatever, I’m not going to think about it.. ..we have to recognize that this adaptation to new information does take time, it requires a kind of a readiness. And that readiness also is a function of other aspects of the story that people carry about who they are and what is real and how the world works. So people become a lot more receptive to information about UFOs, for example, when other aspects of their reality picture have started to disintegrate. Maybe they were full believers in everything orthodox, and then, maybe they were damaged by a certain medical product, but I don’t know if I’m allowed name anymore. Because I don’t want you to be censored, but just say, suppose something outlandish like that happened, and everything that they thought about medicine and progress and science now lies in shambles. And then naturally, you think well, okay, what else have I taken for granted as reality itself that is just a story. What else? Where else have I been lied to and gaslit and deceived. So people then begin questioning everything, including things that probably are true. It’s not like every single thing we’ve been told is a lie. That is another kind of fundamentalism…
… I think another reason people are resistant is because it is an assault on their identity. Because who we think we are is related to what we believe about the world. And our role in the world makes sense, given the reality that we hold. So when that reality comes into question, then, who am I, that comes into question as well, which is why people take it personally, when you question their beliefs. It feels like you’re being assaulted. And in a sense, you are.”
I think it is worth highlighting that while we have no evidence of ET "craft” behaving in “hostile” ways (as was alleged by some in the congressional hearing) and we have no evidence that these visitors pose humans (or any other beings on Earth) a threat, some will perceive the very fact that they are here as a sort of “assault” (regardless of their behavior). Charles has a good point in his comments on how being confronted with this aspect of our reality can feel like a sort of “assault” on one’s sense of self and identity, as, in a way, it is. Being faced with this reality (a thriving interstellar community filled with intelligent life and some of those life forms being here now visiting Earth) forces us to relinquish our hubristic and childish anthropocentric ideas that we were conditioned to adopt (whether through dogma pushed by religious institutions and/or through the fallacious story of human supremacy taught in darwinistic theories of “evolution”), it is like having our baby blanky pulled away from us and being forced to move on without the psychological comfort it provides.
That is why people have a proclivity to demonize ET beings (or dismiss the importance of their place in our reality and shared universe) as I think that for some, it makes them feel better and reassures them that we are still the most advanced and pure beings. That comforting and ego flattering fallacy cannot and will not survive the transition process we will see the beginning of in our life time.
Never before will humanity have come across a mirror of such crystal clarity as the one which will be shown to us the day we make open contact with an interstellar civilization. In the face of such a reflection of what we could be, it will shine light onto what we have chosen to become. We will no longer have a way to hide things under the rug, nor to justify the ugliness and depravity we inflict upon each other. This mirror will be reflecting the full extent of our dormant virtuous human potential and give us an opportunity to choose again.
I would however also like to point out that that being said, I feel like much of humanity has an unhealthy proclivity to look for "savior" figures that they hope will swoop in and save the day and do the hard work for them cleaning up the mess they made, thus I do not think hoping for our cosmic neighbors to deal with the mess we have allowed to fester to the point it is at now is an advisable path if we want to break the cycles of the past and chart a new course as a civilization. So many today, whether in a religious sense or a political sense, codependently seek out someone or something to "fix everything" for them.
It is my hope that we (as a human family) do not perpetuate this mentality of looking for savior figures by putting our cosmic neighbors on that same pedestal. So, while I do genuinely believe we have much to learn from our cosmic neighbors and the study of the universe around us, I also believe that the best course of action for ensuring the social and spiritual development of our species is to refrain from putting our energy into hoping some external force will help us but rather take active steps to deal with this mess to the best of our ability on our own, allowing our heart to guide us and moving forward lovingly, honestly and courageously.
We have a lot of important and sacred work to do healing within (engaging in "Ego-system-re-storyation) and healing the ecosystems we depend on (ecosystem restoration) as well as social healing (remediating the toxic soils which bring forth our totalitarian corporation dominated governance structures) and planting the seeds for something new to grow in their place, and I advocate we give our hearts and hands fully to those sacred tasks, However, in my opinion that does not negate the importance and sacred task of also striving to be good neighbors within the broader (cosmic/interstellar community) we are a part of (a community of which most humans have not even acknowledged exists yet).
Thanks for further clarifying your perspective on these matters.
So, could you help me to understand if you are saying that every single time a whistle blower comes forward with solid evidence of interstellar visitation (whether it was in the 70-s, the 90-s or the 2000-s and whether they were government sponsored/mainstream media platformed or not) they are actually paid shills and government operators attempting to distract people?
In my opinion, whether or not issues "fade" in the public consciousness does not necessarily indicate it's importance. The attention and focus of the masses can be manipulated to keep them stagnating/complacent (and it has been, for centuries now).
I put in a vote for none of the above on the first question because of the word civilizations. It might just be semantics, but that word doesn't sit right with me. Interstellar beings or life forms is more fitting in my perception. I'm not sure about the word culture either. I feel modern language is perhaps lacking in it's ability to describe what you're speaking of. But like always, you write quite concisely and eloquently on topics others tend not to explore in the manner you do. You are quite gifted in communication on all levels. As for "amicably engaging", I think that already happens naturally when people enter into transcendent states of awareness. Once enough humans start to reach higher vibrational states of awareness it will happen organically. So the first step appears, to me, to be for humans to become more in tune with themselves and their highest potential. Then communication can unfold naturally from there. Just my thoughts. Much love to you and your family.
"As for "amicably engaging", I think that already happens naturally when people enter into transcendent states of awareness. Once enough humans start to reach higher vibrational states of awareness it will happen organically. So the first step appears, to me, to be for humans to become more in tune with themselves and their highest potential. Then communication can unfold naturally from there."
I agree wholeheartedly and could not have said it better myself.
When we are talking about beings that are traversing the vastness of interstellar space (and communicating with their fellow beings across such vast distances) the speed of light (which is the approximate speed of all of our radio transmitting technology on Earth) is too slow. The only thing that is faster than the speed of light, is the speed of coherent thought forms and intent (via the phenomena of quantum entanglement). Thus, it would seem to me that they must use directed thought forms to communicate (whether it is facilitated by technology or endogenously enabled via the development of innate conscious abilities). Therefore I think it is through learning to know our own thoughts, innate capabilities as conscious beings and becoming capable of communicating via thought (without words) that we would be taking the first step towards grasping the preverbal Rosetta stone of enabling amicable communication between beings from separate star systems.
Thanks so much for enriching this discussion with your candid thoughts, observations and insights.
Thanks for taking a step back to look at the broader implications of the language I used in the questions. I really appreciate your comment as it holds up a mirror so I can see my own programming in the way in which I have allowed myself to be conditioned in using words like "Civilization".
The etymological root of the word Civilization is derived from the Latin word civilis, which means civil. Other related Latin words are civis, meaning citizen, and civitas, meaning city.
Cities (at least here on Earth) are the phenomenon that involves an instance where so many humans and artificial human structures gather in one place, that the massive community is no longer able to produce enough food and raw material to sustain it's continued existence (necessitating massive areas of land being deforested, pillaged and mined elsewhere so that those raw materials can be shipped to the city and keep it functioning and growing).
Also, who is to say what is to be defined as "civilized" and what is "civil" ?
By what standards do we apply such labels?
According to many of the Europeans (Jesuit priests, military men etc) who were instrumental in colonizing/invading Turtle Island (aka "North America") the people who originally inhabited these lands were "uncivilized" and "savage". However, those who take an honest look at modern day industrial society and those who also study the ways of the people's indigenous to Turtle Island know that to be a fallacy, nothing more than the sad superficial propaganda pushed by hubristic thugs looking to make themselves feel better about their mass murdering and thievery. As was eloquently expressed by those who voiced what is now known as "The Indigenous Critique" (some of which I shared in this comment thread: https://www.corbettreport.com/new-year-open-thread-2024/#comment-159465 ) it could be argued that it was, in fact, the European colonizers that were the savage and uncivilized ones.
Perhaps some of the beings that travel here from other star-systems developed their own unique gifts and self-expression in such a way where they purely use their own consciousness to traverse vast distances of interstellar space (circumventing any need for technology being involved). Perhaps some of them are voluntaryist photoheterotrophs that prefer to live in tightly-nit communities of less then 300 individuals and have no need for centralized infrastructures, governments, cities (as we know them to be) and are also capable of interstellar travel via endogenous trans-dimensional/interstellar teleportation abilities. If that is the case, than by the standards of most dictionary definitions of "civilization" and "civilized" those beings would not fit that description (yet they would obviously be extremely socially/spiritually advanced beings).
Thank you for illuminating the limiting construct of words like "civilization" in this way. Upon reflection, I like "Interstellar beings or life forms" better than the words I chose above. If I could I would go back and change the words in the question but Substack does not allow that without cancelling all the votes that have gone through thus far. This gift you have given me serves the purpose of this series which is to provide a "Mirror For The Mind, Heart and Soul", thank you for that.
Photoheterotrophs...that's a mouthful. Going to have to look that one up. That is a word I've never heard before. But if it means to have no use for centralized infrastructures, governments, or cities, count me in. It is a dream of mine to live in a world where such things don't exist. Unfortunately I probably won't experience that in this lifetime, but who knows what will lie beyond. Thanks for being you. I'm glad I was able to give you some food for thought. You have given me plenty.
I wanted to add, when I watched a documentary awhile ago on the Kogi in Columbia, they spoke of communicating with different star beings, for stars are alive. They said that dark matter is used for long distance communication through space. They described it kind of like a springboard for sounds and vibrations to bounce off of...Slightly off topic, but kind of in the same thread. But I think there's a lot to it that we don't grasp. When I was a little girl and heard of black holes, my first thought was that I wanted to go into one. Everyone I told that to told me how silly I was because you cannot survive. I still wanted to go into one, I didn't believe them. What if they are misunderstood, and are more like a portal? Just my thoughts, not based on science, just a persistent feeling since I was very young. My guess on interstellar life forms is that there may be some that use some type of technology to travel, and others with no need for technology at all. I personally despise technology, and patiently am awaiting the time when there is no need or desire for it. When we can return to harmony within nature.
You have helped illuminate another one of my blind spots in inviting me to look at my conditioning with regards to what conventional physicists says about the limitations of technological communications and the speed of light.
I was an astrophysics nerd growing up and so that text book explanation of "the laws of physics" has been hammered into my head, but when I take a step back and look at that attitude and it's failure to be correct repeatedly throughout history I am invited to reconsider whether or not I know what is possible.
After all, there was a time when mainstream science professed that a heavier than air piece of machinery could never take flight. They said it was "against the laws of physics".
Here are a couple quotes from individuals who were considered as scientific experts at the time regarding flying machines.
"I can state flatly that heavier than air flying machines are impossible." — Lord Kelvin, 1895 (he was a member of the Royal Society, considered to be a highly respected scientific establishment).
"It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the [flying machine] problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere." — Thomas Edison, : November 1895 (he was an eminent scientist and commented on the Wright brothers before they made their first flight.)
Yes here we are, living in a world with airplanes, living what was deemed to be "impossible" and "against the laws of physics".
Thank you for reminding me that we are not exempt from that pattern of thinking we know what is possible and impossible and being completely lacking in understanding to define either of those things.
Beings and energies from other places in the galaxy and universe have been here for a very long time. I’m not sure they needed or used “space ships” to travel. Some of them have interfered with life on this planet for eons and are still trying to do that now. Others are positive in their impact. Both are walking among us. The current focus on UFOs or UAPs is part of a psyop to make us afraid and thereby increase control, and to distract us from seeing what the nefarious ones are doing to manipulate our DNA for the final time so we go docilely into being transhuman.
I think there is a lot of truth in what you said here.
I do think that some use physical craft to transverse the vastness of interstellar space, others do not require any technology at all to do that. I have witnessed the craft of some visitors at close range on a couple occasions and I can tell you that they are not composed of materials like we are familiar with here on Earth. The forms that the craft take are seamless, no rivets or bolts like human tech, almost as if they grew the craft or manifested these objects in their whole form all at once.
RE: "Some of them have interfered with life on this planet for eons and are still trying to do that now. Others are positive in their impact."
Agreed, though based on what I have learned in my personal experiences I would say that the interfering and self -interested civilizations are actually the minority (and they are far less advanced then the ones with compassionate intent).
I have seen evidence that a limited number of some members of one technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization in particular, did engage with primitive humans in our ancient past (for selfish reasons).
In my Childhood’s End article I said
“The most advanced and ancient of the interstellar species that are here now appear to be part of a collective of civilizations that work in concert toward their common goals (which among other things) include assisting younger species make the transition into safely moving beyond the confines of their planet and engaging with their neighbors. I have also learned that (though Dr. Steven Greer seems to avoid acknowledging this reality) there are less advanced interstellar civilizations which visit (and have visited) here as well (with the members of their species possessing varying degrees of integrity, compassion and social maturity) but these rogues make up a minority and though some of the individual members of these civilizations have engaged in somewhat nefarious activities, these are the actions of rogue criminals, and not representative of the intent nor nature of their respective species (nor the civilization/world they originated from) as a whole.”
The so called “Anunnaki” would fall into the latter category.
From the geological, archeological and written documentation evidence I have seen, those rogue individuals (from a specific extraterrestrial culture) ended up engaging in a massive war (between factions of their own ‘people’) that involved weapons of mass destruction.
For example, there were discoveries made which provided physical evidence that scientists say “proves there was technology present which artificially induced nuclear fission over 8000 years ago on planet earth”. One of the findings was when a company was doing surveying for a new uranium mine in Africa and found that some of the uranium was fused at an atomic level. But the more compelling evidence is when in 1992 scientists discovered a heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covering a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. After investigating the site, where a housing development was being built, they unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people.
Then there are the ancient tales speak of flying vimanas. Vimanas were real vehicles and the origin of the ‘Aeroplanes.’ Great wars were described in early religious texts. Source: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/mbs/index.htm)
Weapons were described to literally level the land like a moving force field. In ancient India, we find words for certain measurements of length; one was the distance of light-years and one was the length of an atom. Only a society that possessed nuclear energy would have the need for such words. When Oppenheimer said ‘I am become the destroyer of worlds,’ he was quoting from these ancient books.
Some scientists are now theorizing that the deserts on a number of continents today are the result of (prehistoric) nuclear warfare.
Historian Kisari Mohan Ganguli says that Indian sacred writings are full of such descriptions, which sound like an atomic blast as experienced in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He says references mention fighting sky chariots and final weapons. An ancient battle is described in the Drona Parva, a section of the Mahabharata. “The passage tells of combat where explosions of final weapons decimate entire armies, causing crowds of warriors with steeds and elephants and weapons to be carried away as if they were dry leaves of trees,” says Ganguli. Here are a few illuminating verses from the ancient Mahabharata texts: ” …a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour… a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds… …the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols… ..it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. …The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white. After a few hours All foodstuffs were infected… …to escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.” Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet, they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion.
The unexplained destruction of Mohenjo Daro and Harappa are also worth examining more closely for uncovering indications that a massive war between rogue factions of the above described civilization may have indeed taken place.
The remnants of two ancient civilizations in the Indus Valley of modern day Pakistan and India have puzzled archeologists for decades. These cities were both deserted suddenly, coincidentally around the time of the construction of the great pyramids in Egypt, despite having been thriving centers of technology and culture for centuries. Mohenjo Daro, in particular, appears to have been flattened, or collapsed after 600 years of being inhabited. Could this have been the location of what may have been an ancient nuclear war?
Mohenjo Daro and Harappa are anomalous not just because of their desertion by the people who lived there, but also because of their incredibly advanced technology and decentralized, secular society. Archeologists have determined that the layout of these two massive cities shows evidence of an egalitarian civilization with no distinct hierarchy or elite ruling class and was likely governed by elected officials. The ruins of Mohenjo Daro show careful urban planning, advanced irrigation and drainage systems, and a 900 sq. foot, watertight, communal bath that was filled by the Indus river. This civilization spanned over 500 acres and supported a population of somewhere between 20,000 – 40,000 citizens.
Harappa, which came into ruin around the same time as Mohenjo Daro, was equally as advanced, with granaries, superstructures, and calculated trading practices. These civilizations had board games like chess, traded precious gems and jewelry, and valued cleanliness and hygiene. Both were civilizations with thriving cultures that disappeared suddenly and without explanation.
Excavations at Mohenjo Daro unearthed the skeletons of a family holding hands, appearing to have been flattened with rubble and ash covering them as if they had died in an abrupt and unforeseen event. Some accounts (described in a comment above) say that a layer of radioactive ash was found in the soil before the site was dug up, adding to the theory of a nuclear event that could have been the cause of destruction of this ancient city.
I found it illuminating to do a direct comparison between the brahmastra (the weapon described as a “single projectile charged with all the power in the universe” which is described in the ancient Vedic texts quoted in a comment above) and destruction is the aftermath of the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After Trinity, the U.S. didn’t waste any time deploying the new atomic technology — less than three weeks later, on Aug. 6, 1945, the U.S. Air Force dropped an atomic weapon, nicknamed “Little Boy,” on Hiroshima, Japan. Immediately, a reported 70,000 people were killed, with another 140,000 dying of radiation poisoning by 1946.
The core destruction radius was about a mile around ground zero. Fires were reported across an additional 4.4 sq. miles. Humans and animals in the blast zone turned to carbon, echoing the words of the Mahabharata; “corpses so burned as to be unrecognizable.”
When the Trinity team discovered the green glass in the bomb craters, they named the material “Trinitite.” The glass also called “nuclear,” “atomic,” and “desert” glass, was formed when silica sand was heated to temperatures above 1,700 degrees centigrade by the blast.
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After the Trinity test, engineer Albion Hart noticed that the Trinitite was identical to the material he had seen in the African desert decades earlier. He calculated that the size of the African glass deposit indicated a blast ten thousand times more powerful than the Trinity bomb. The similarities were dismissed, as no one believed an ancient or modern blast of those proportions as possible.
Earlier, In 1932, an Egyptian Geological Survey team member Patrick Clayton was driving across the desert near the Saad Plateau. He said he heard a “crunching” under the wheels of his car; unusual, in that he was driving on sand surfaces. He stopped and discovered large pieces of glass in the sand.
The glass has also been found under Neolithic, Sumerian, and Babylonian layers at archaeological sites in Iraq. Is it possible that an ancient civilization prior to the Neolithic period blew itself back to the stone age with nuclear devices?
Libyan desert glass deposits, estimated to be 28.5 million years old, stretch over 6,500 square kilometers into neighboring Egypt. The light green Libyan glass, called “the rock of god,” was so gem-like and crystal clear it was used in royal Egyptian jewelry. Ten thousand-year-old paleolithic tools made from desert glass have been found in Egypt and throughout North Africa.
Mainstream science asserts that desert glass (other than White Sands) is the product of ancient meteor and lightning strikes, but others have debunked these theories.
Meteor strikes leave impact craters and meteoric iron fragments as well as tektite stones, generally opaque gray or brown because of the presence of iron and other minerals. While a meteor may burn at temperatures hot enough to melt sand into the tektite glass, the remnants generally take the form of tiny glass “beads” rather than widespread layers and slabs.
Lightning can be hot enough to fuse silica, but the resulting glass takes the form of the strike tunneling into the ground and looks like many-branched coral with a sandy coating.
While the Trinity bomb left a crater, post-test bombs were detonated well above ground, as Oppenheimer’s team discovered mid-air detonation maximized damage. The Hiroshima bomb detonated at 600 meters (2,000 ft.) above ground, and the Nagasaki bomb exploded 500 meters (1,620 ft.) above ground. Aerial detonation minimizes ground craters, consistent with an absence of craters at desert glass deposits.
In recent history there have been several instances where nuclear missiles have been disabled and shut down by luminous spherical or disc shaped craft that arrived at high speed, hovered, shot beams of light which disabled the nukes, and then left at high speed strait up into the upper atmosphere.
In our current times perhaps we are being watched over to prevent this kind of crazy behavior from happening again (regardless of what beings are the ones looking to ‘pull the trigger’ this time around)?
The ancient Vedic texts, Egyptian mythology and Sumarian tablets are not unique in their describing ‘gods’ that came from the sky (or rather, beings that came from the stars).
Some cultures have a very different story to tell about extraterrestrial visitors they interacted with.
Many indigenous peoples all over the world claim cosmic origins, and they give great honor and homage to these “Star Nations.” The Dogon tribe of Africa traces its origins back to the star Sirius.
The Stones of Ica, discovered in a cave near Nazca, Peru, are said to be a library of a way of life of ancient peoples who cataloged their astrology, astronomy, geography, and agriculture 60 million years ago. The anthropologist who discovered the Stones of Ica, Dr. Javier Caberra, believed that the makers of the Ica Stones were from the same cultures as the First peoples of the Andes who built Tiahuanaco, a pre-Inkan civilization, and whose influence was felt throughout the Inkan empire.
The Pleiades star system is called the Seven Sisters because seven of its stars are visible to the naked eye. In reality, this star cluster actually contains more than 400 stars. Andean languages refer to the Pleiades as “seeds,” or the “Great Granary,” referring to the structures built into the sides of the mountains that stored food enough to feed the people for seven years, before the conquistadors destroyed them and brought an end to the golden age of the Inkan Empire.
The Lakota, Kiowa, Cheyenne and Hopi all have oral traditions related to their origination from the Star Cluster Pleiades. Hopi prophesy speaks of the return of the Blue Kachina Star Person at the end of this cycle of time, who will herald in the 5th age of man. The Hopi consider themselves descendants of Pleiadians, and hold green corn dances every year dedicated with seven ears of corn, from seven fields, representing seven clans.
To the peoples of the Andes, the Pleiades were particularly important in determining the seasons, and planning the planting and harvest of their crops. They were considered so important that the people continue to celebrate the Festival of the Return of the Stars, or Festival of Q’ollorit’i. This special ceremony is held every June, on the full moon, at 16,000 feet at the foot of a huge glacier on a sacred mountain or Apu, in Peru. It is attended annually by up to 80,000 pilgrims who travel from long distances to the Sacred Apu.
The ancient Mayan people taught that long ago their ancestors came from the stars. They spoke of how this is where their culture`s architecture, spiritual truth and mathematics came from. And they didn`t just point up at the sky, they specified a certain starsystem, a constellation that some now know as “the little dipper” and others know as “the seven sisters”, but the astronomers know it as the Pleiades.
The Mayans talk of a “road to the sky leading to the umbilicus of the Universe,” which is similar to Andean cultures that speak of a “luminous chord that connects the solar plexus to the sky.”
Stories of other worldly beings are also present in several African legends of creation, like the Zulu people, which means “sky” people.
It is also said that the Emperor Huang Ti, considered by many scholars to be behind cultural, social and economic development of China, attributed his vast knowledge to visits from beings from the Pleiades in 2537 BC.
Could these widespread mythical and culturally diverse historical references to beings from the sky (or from the “heavens”) be referring to actual physical intelligent beings that came to this world from elsewhere in the universe? Could the many descriptions of magic throughout history (often associated with a talisman or other physical object which was in the possession of a mythical being) in fact be the result of primitive peoples misinterpreting the various manifestations of advanced technology (being wielded by members of advanced interstellar civilizations) through their limited scope of understanding at the time?
This brings me to the current task at hand for our human family (leaving adolescence and coming into Cosmic Adulthood). Okay perhaps, it would be more realistic to say ‘leaving cosmic infancy and learning to crawl’ 🙂 but in essence what I am talking about is taking steps to face our ego issues, take an honest look at who and what we are as conscious beings, acknowledge the existence of the broader community we are a part of and then take responsibility for the mess we have allowed to fester on the Earth, clean it up and then one day, when we are ready, take steps towards engaging in overt, organized diplomatic efforts to amicably and symbiotically engage with our elder neighbors.
I appreciate you taking the time to share these perspectives.
I will meditate on what you have shared and respond once I have had time to contemplate and digest.
Couldn't be a distraction from a huge multi-billion fast/slow genocide, could it?
Thank you for taking the time to comment and ask that question.
Could you please elaborate on what you mean when you say distraction in this context?
As in, do you mean that there are no interstellar travel capable sentient beings visiting the Earth and the appearance of all the anomalous craft and witness testimony given by multitudes of different people in various professions is part of an elaborate hoax orchestrated by humans in order to give people the impression that advanced interstellar travel capable beings are here, all so they can distract us from various nefarious human activities on Earth?
Or, are you saying that there are interstellar travel capable beings visiting here, and various nefarious human interests are capitalizing on the profound implication of that aspect of our reality by revealing evidence about it at key times, in order to distract from other activities they are engaged in on Earth?
Or something else all together?
Thanks in advance for your time.
Sure, aliens, I have seen some odd things myself (decades ago). But why just now all this news? Timing is everything, and in that aspect, as I triangulate, it sorta stinks a bit. Also, a few predicted they would roll this one out during this time of 'creating as many ripples as possible', again, in order to keep our energies dispersed and off the mass killing via the jabs. If aliens wanted to really take over or effect things, I don't think there would be much we could do anyway. Timing.
Thanks for clarifying what you meant.
Okay so, just to be clear, it is the big government endorsed / mainstream media announcements regarding interstellar beings and their technology (like that congressional hearing I linked in the post above) that make you suspicious and inclined to think the only reason that info is being disseminated is in order to prevent us from becoming aware of nefarious activities being carried out by humans on Earth?
And, you acknowledge that beings from other star systems are visiting here, but you don't think they deserve paying any attention to because "if aliens wanted to really take over or effect things, I don't thing there would be much we could do anyway" ?
What about all the non government sponsored witness testimony (such as the 2001 Disclosure Project at the National Press Club) and all the people who have been coming forward of their own free will (who had nothing to gain and everything to lose) to share information (like these guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0tg4E4CU70 and this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fag-ueBWdqQ ) in the years prior to and after events like the Disclosure Project leading up to present day? What do you think of that timing and the evidence and testimony they provided?
Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts.
Given that I believe it to be a distraction, I will not commit time to it. Here's how we'll know- in 3 months, either no one will be talking about it anymore, or, we will see aliens 'walking among us'. Betcha $1 the issue will fade.
Also, in your mind, is the fact that people are talking about something or not a determining factor of whether or not that topic is important and deserving of our attention?
Perhaps most "aliens" (I do not really like that term myself as it is attached to much xenophobic propaganda) will avoid openly engaging with humans and "walking among us" (in a way that we can be consciously aware of) until we get our act together?
Sometimes I wonder if people subconsciously allocate the subject of insterstellar beings and communities engaging humanity and the Earth into a category that is deemed "unimportant" or "crazy" etc as it is an aspect of our reality that makes them uncomfortable to face head on and honesty consider. Perhaps people declare that this subject is "unimportant", "all a government psyop" and/or "for tin foil hat people" as the choice to confront the existing evidence would force them to reconsider what it means to be human and reconsider their place in this universe (in a way that is threatening to the ego). I am not saying that is you, but it feels like a motivating factor when I deal with many people on this topic.
Charles Eisenstein discussed the psychological implications of learning about this aspect of our reality in this essay: https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/ufos-planetcide-and-the-maturation?
I especially found this quote from the transcript to be very apt, illuminating and true with regards to what I have observed in many being confronted by this aspect of our reality (the thriving interstellar community that is all around us) recently:
“People have a natural defense mechanism to protect themselves from shell shock. They’ll just either flat out deny it, they’ll label it as conspiracy theory, or they’ll just put it in a separate bin of their mind that says, yeah, that’s just an anomaly, whatever, I’m not going to think about it.. ..we have to recognize that this adaptation to new information does take time, it requires a kind of a readiness. And that readiness also is a function of other aspects of the story that people carry about who they are and what is real and how the world works. So people become a lot more receptive to information about UFOs, for example, when other aspects of their reality picture have started to disintegrate. Maybe they were full believers in everything orthodox, and then, maybe they were damaged by a certain medical product, but I don’t know if I’m allowed name anymore. Because I don’t want you to be censored, but just say, suppose something outlandish like that happened, and everything that they thought about medicine and progress and science now lies in shambles. And then naturally, you think well, okay, what else have I taken for granted as reality itself that is just a story. What else? Where else have I been lied to and gaslit and deceived. So people then begin questioning everything, including things that probably are true. It’s not like every single thing we’ve been told is a lie. That is another kind of fundamentalism…
… I think another reason people are resistant is because it is an assault on their identity. Because who we think we are is related to what we believe about the world. And our role in the world makes sense, given the reality that we hold. So when that reality comes into question, then, who am I, that comes into question as well, which is why people take it personally, when you question their beliefs. It feels like you’re being assaulted. And in a sense, you are.”
I think it is worth highlighting that while we have no evidence of ET "craft” behaving in “hostile” ways (as was alleged by some in the congressional hearing) and we have no evidence that these visitors pose humans (or any other beings on Earth) a threat, some will perceive the very fact that they are here as a sort of “assault” (regardless of their behavior). Charles has a good point in his comments on how being confronted with this aspect of our reality can feel like a sort of “assault” on one’s sense of self and identity, as, in a way, it is. Being faced with this reality (a thriving interstellar community filled with intelligent life and some of those life forms being here now visiting Earth) forces us to relinquish our hubristic and childish anthropocentric ideas that we were conditioned to adopt (whether through dogma pushed by religious institutions and/or through the fallacious story of human supremacy taught in darwinistic theories of “evolution”), it is like having our baby blanky pulled away from us and being forced to move on without the psychological comfort it provides.
That is why people have a proclivity to demonize ET beings (or dismiss the importance of their place in our reality and shared universe) as I think that for some, it makes them feel better and reassures them that we are still the most advanced and pure beings. That comforting and ego flattering fallacy cannot and will not survive the transition process we will see the beginning of in our life time.
Never before will humanity have come across a mirror of such crystal clarity as the one which will be shown to us the day we make open contact with an interstellar civilization. In the face of such a reflection of what we could be, it will shine light onto what we have chosen to become. We will no longer have a way to hide things under the rug, nor to justify the ugliness and depravity we inflict upon each other. This mirror will be reflecting the full extent of our dormant virtuous human potential and give us an opportunity to choose again.
I would however also like to point out that that being said, I feel like much of humanity has an unhealthy proclivity to look for "savior" figures that they hope will swoop in and save the day and do the hard work for them cleaning up the mess they made, thus I do not think hoping for our cosmic neighbors to deal with the mess we have allowed to fester to the point it is at now is an advisable path if we want to break the cycles of the past and chart a new course as a civilization. So many today, whether in a religious sense or a political sense, codependently seek out someone or something to "fix everything" for them.
It is my hope that we (as a human family) do not perpetuate this mentality of looking for savior figures by putting our cosmic neighbors on that same pedestal. So, while I do genuinely believe we have much to learn from our cosmic neighbors and the study of the universe around us, I also believe that the best course of action for ensuring the social and spiritual development of our species is to refrain from putting our energy into hoping some external force will help us but rather take active steps to deal with this mess to the best of our ability on our own, allowing our heart to guide us and moving forward lovingly, honestly and courageously.
We have a lot of important and sacred work to do healing within (engaging in "Ego-system-re-storyation) and healing the ecosystems we depend on (ecosystem restoration) as well as social healing (remediating the toxic soils which bring forth our totalitarian corporation dominated governance structures) and planting the seeds for something new to grow in their place, and I advocate we give our hearts and hands fully to those sacred tasks, However, in my opinion that does not negate the importance and sacred task of also striving to be good neighbors within the broader (cosmic/interstellar community) we are a part of (a community of which most humans have not even acknowledged exists yet).
Thanks for further clarifying your perspective on these matters.
So, could you help me to understand if you are saying that every single time a whistle blower comes forward with solid evidence of interstellar visitation (whether it was in the 70-s, the 90-s or the 2000-s and whether they were government sponsored/mainstream media platformed or not) they are actually paid shills and government operators attempting to distract people?
In my opinion, whether or not issues "fade" in the public consciousness does not necessarily indicate it's importance. The attention and focus of the masses can be manipulated to keep them stagnating/complacent (and it has been, for centuries now).
I put in a vote for none of the above on the first question because of the word civilizations. It might just be semantics, but that word doesn't sit right with me. Interstellar beings or life forms is more fitting in my perception. I'm not sure about the word culture either. I feel modern language is perhaps lacking in it's ability to describe what you're speaking of. But like always, you write quite concisely and eloquently on topics others tend not to explore in the manner you do. You are quite gifted in communication on all levels. As for "amicably engaging", I think that already happens naturally when people enter into transcendent states of awareness. Once enough humans start to reach higher vibrational states of awareness it will happen organically. So the first step appears, to me, to be for humans to become more in tune with themselves and their highest potential. Then communication can unfold naturally from there. Just my thoughts. Much love to you and your family.
RE: the part of your comment where you said:
"As for "amicably engaging", I think that already happens naturally when people enter into transcendent states of awareness. Once enough humans start to reach higher vibrational states of awareness it will happen organically. So the first step appears, to me, to be for humans to become more in tune with themselves and their highest potential. Then communication can unfold naturally from there."
I agree wholeheartedly and could not have said it better myself.
When we are talking about beings that are traversing the vastness of interstellar space (and communicating with their fellow beings across such vast distances) the speed of light (which is the approximate speed of all of our radio transmitting technology on Earth) is too slow. The only thing that is faster than the speed of light, is the speed of coherent thought forms and intent (via the phenomena of quantum entanglement). Thus, it would seem to me that they must use directed thought forms to communicate (whether it is facilitated by technology or endogenously enabled via the development of innate conscious abilities). Therefore I think it is through learning to know our own thoughts, innate capabilities as conscious beings and becoming capable of communicating via thought (without words) that we would be taking the first step towards grasping the preverbal Rosetta stone of enabling amicable communication between beings from separate star systems.
Thanks so much for enriching this discussion with your candid thoughts, observations and insights.
Much love to you and your family as well.
Thanks for taking a step back to look at the broader implications of the language I used in the questions. I really appreciate your comment as it holds up a mirror so I can see my own programming in the way in which I have allowed myself to be conditioned in using words like "Civilization".
The etymological root of the word Civilization is derived from the Latin word civilis, which means civil. Other related Latin words are civis, meaning citizen, and civitas, meaning city.
Cities (at least here on Earth) are the phenomenon that involves an instance where so many humans and artificial human structures gather in one place, that the massive community is no longer able to produce enough food and raw material to sustain it's continued existence (necessitating massive areas of land being deforested, pillaged and mined elsewhere so that those raw materials can be shipped to the city and keep it functioning and growing).
Also, who is to say what is to be defined as "civilized" and what is "civil" ?
By what standards do we apply such labels?
According to many of the Europeans (Jesuit priests, military men etc) who were instrumental in colonizing/invading Turtle Island (aka "North America") the people who originally inhabited these lands were "uncivilized" and "savage". However, those who take an honest look at modern day industrial society and those who also study the ways of the people's indigenous to Turtle Island know that to be a fallacy, nothing more than the sad superficial propaganda pushed by hubristic thugs looking to make themselves feel better about their mass murdering and thievery. As was eloquently expressed by those who voiced what is now known as "The Indigenous Critique" (some of which I shared in this comment thread: https://www.corbettreport.com/new-year-open-thread-2024/#comment-159465 ) it could be argued that it was, in fact, the European colonizers that were the savage and uncivilized ones.
Perhaps some of the beings that travel here from other star-systems developed their own unique gifts and self-expression in such a way where they purely use their own consciousness to traverse vast distances of interstellar space (circumventing any need for technology being involved). Perhaps some of them are voluntaryist photoheterotrophs that prefer to live in tightly-nit communities of less then 300 individuals and have no need for centralized infrastructures, governments, cities (as we know them to be) and are also capable of interstellar travel via endogenous trans-dimensional/interstellar teleportation abilities. If that is the case, than by the standards of most dictionary definitions of "civilization" and "civilized" those beings would not fit that description (yet they would obviously be extremely socially/spiritually advanced beings).
Thank you for illuminating the limiting construct of words like "civilization" in this way. Upon reflection, I like "Interstellar beings or life forms" better than the words I chose above. If I could I would go back and change the words in the question but Substack does not allow that without cancelling all the votes that have gone through thus far. This gift you have given me serves the purpose of this series which is to provide a "Mirror For The Mind, Heart and Soul", thank you for that.
Photoheterotrophs...that's a mouthful. Going to have to look that one up. That is a word I've never heard before. But if it means to have no use for centralized infrastructures, governments, or cities, count me in. It is a dream of mine to live in a world where such things don't exist. Unfortunately I probably won't experience that in this lifetime, but who knows what will lie beyond. Thanks for being you. I'm glad I was able to give you some food for thought. You have given me plenty.
I wanted to add, when I watched a documentary awhile ago on the Kogi in Columbia, they spoke of communicating with different star beings, for stars are alive. They said that dark matter is used for long distance communication through space. They described it kind of like a springboard for sounds and vibrations to bounce off of...Slightly off topic, but kind of in the same thread. But I think there's a lot to it that we don't grasp. When I was a little girl and heard of black holes, my first thought was that I wanted to go into one. Everyone I told that to told me how silly I was because you cannot survive. I still wanted to go into one, I didn't believe them. What if they are misunderstood, and are more like a portal? Just my thoughts, not based on science, just a persistent feeling since I was very young. My guess on interstellar life forms is that there may be some that use some type of technology to travel, and others with no need for technology at all. I personally despise technology, and patiently am awaiting the time when there is no need or desire for it. When we can return to harmony within nature.
You have helped illuminate another one of my blind spots in inviting me to look at my conditioning with regards to what conventional physicists says about the limitations of technological communications and the speed of light.
I was an astrophysics nerd growing up and so that text book explanation of "the laws of physics" has been hammered into my head, but when I take a step back and look at that attitude and it's failure to be correct repeatedly throughout history I am invited to reconsider whether or not I know what is possible.
After all, there was a time when mainstream science professed that a heavier than air piece of machinery could never take flight. They said it was "against the laws of physics".
Here are a couple quotes from individuals who were considered as scientific experts at the time regarding flying machines.
"I can state flatly that heavier than air flying machines are impossible." — Lord Kelvin, 1895 (he was a member of the Royal Society, considered to be a highly respected scientific establishment).
"It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the [flying machine] problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere." — Thomas Edison, : November 1895 (he was an eminent scientist and commented on the Wright brothers before they made their first flight.)
Yes here we are, living in a world with airplanes, living what was deemed to be "impossible" and "against the laws of physics".
Thank you for reminding me that we are not exempt from that pattern of thinking we know what is possible and impossible and being completely lacking in understanding to define either of those things.
I appreciate the comment.