Gavin, I am sadly convinced the United States of America should not, shall not, and cannot long remain so constituted or so named. When our descendants have learned to hold life and its systems sacred, and when they live lives that honor the womb which bore them, they will know their names and their places, and speak them truly.
In the meantime, Plastic Flashing Strip Mall Land works for the northern piece, and Resource Rape Festival seems appropriate for the southern part.
The names will inevitably be changed sometime in the future. As always. Nothing is static. Place names always change. However, rather than coming from a place of reactiveness, it would be more healing for the planet to focus on healing relationships between people and nations first. Then, whatever names that evolve will be coming from a peaceful base, and not a reactive, indignant, or angry space of creation.
I would recommend New Atlantis as a replacement for North America or The USA. More important i think is changing our regional FEMA districts into something like Mega-City 3 or some variation on that theme.
Very sad history connection but I think the statute of limitations on what one man and his regime has done has expired somewhat.
Making this history known is a good idea. Fracturing society (as seen in your survey) for the continued enabling of easier control by globalists is not in out interest.
It is good that you had the survey but anything with less than 90% buy in is bad for society.
In South Africa there were name changes after apartheid ended, some were justified and others were gratuitous. There were rules to prevent gratuitous changes and they made sense. The problem always was when the sensible rules were flaunted and political mechanization FORCED name changes onto places. Quite recently call for submissions was made that I saw (having emigrated 10 years ago I don't usually see such activity) where a very popular large arterial road name was proposed to be changed to honour a Palestinian Freedom Fighter that had no connection with South Africa. This was a crude attempt to divide the country for political reasons and not to honour any local heroes.
The cost of your proposed name change is higher than you could imagine (It would affect EVERY county) and not worth the net zero PR results.
if i could ask the land itself what it would like to be called i would. I think that would take many years, however. Only a great shaman could do this.
G, change the name and the history goes away. Terror and slavery and profiteering off the sale of flesh need to forever be associated with Columbus and Vespucci's name. You would be doing the bidding of TPTSB in rewriting history for the winners, Not the losers. I M H O.
In particular, it's bugged me that we in the belly of the beast don't even have a name for ourselves. We are the default 'Americans' and everyone else on two continents needs to distinguish themselves from us. Otherwise are we United Statesians?
But my preference is that we start from small to name our own commonwealths, then move up from there in new configurations that are around the same size. That way we're not starting out with the legacies of conquest to determine what we are.
I don't like what Vespucci did, or Columbus in his treatment of the original inhabitants. But name changing is "virtue signaling." It say we're better and we wouldn't do that. In that time and place we might have.
Keep the name and work together with indigenous people. Here in Canada we often stoke tension between the races by institutionalizing past grievances, when we are free to work together now. We have a grievance industry between native and whites that has nothing to do with respect or love. And there's a race-hustler industry too, huge.
Thank you for this post. I was not aware of all the details of this horrible human being. Thanks for enlightening me. Absolutely if the Native Americans want to change the name then we should change the name. That would be a start. Same thing in South America I mean we’re not South Americans so we can’t make that decision for them, but perhaps they might want to consider it once they knew what country was founded on
I voted yes to all 3. I didn’t know where the word America came from & what was provided above is disgusting but not surprising. By changing the name we can start thinking of ourselves differently & maybe start making needed changes in our individual lives & society as a whole. Words have meaning & power, we should all be more mindful of this.
I voted "yes" because the brutal men who "discovered" the so-called Americas were horrible to the native Peoples here... VICIOUS. HORRIFIC. DESPICABLE. (Vespucci, Cortez, Columbus... et al)
So yes, it would be a good thing, I'd say. And I'd also say that perhaps we might poll some of the progeny of those Native Peoples, living today, and ask THEM what they might like the new name(s) to become...
"Turtle Island" is great, but... are we an "island," really?
I won't suggest any new names right now, I will think on it, but it does seem a good idea.
Gavin, I am sadly convinced the United States of America should not, shall not, and cannot long remain so constituted or so named. When our descendants have learned to hold life and its systems sacred, and when they live lives that honor the womb which bore them, they will know their names and their places, and speak them truly.
In the meantime, Plastic Flashing Strip Mall Land works for the northern piece, and Resource Rape Festival seems appropriate for the southern part.
Gerald Celeste calls the US Slavelandia.
The names will inevitably be changed sometime in the future. As always. Nothing is static. Place names always change. However, rather than coming from a place of reactiveness, it would be more healing for the planet to focus on healing relationships between people and nations first. Then, whatever names that evolve will be coming from a peaceful base, and not a reactive, indignant, or angry space of creation.
I would recommend New Atlantis as a replacement for North America or The USA. More important i think is changing our regional FEMA districts into something like Mega-City 3 or some variation on that theme.
Very sad history connection but I think the statute of limitations on what one man and his regime has done has expired somewhat.
Making this history known is a good idea. Fracturing society (as seen in your survey) for the continued enabling of easier control by globalists is not in out interest.
It is good that you had the survey but anything with less than 90% buy in is bad for society.
In South Africa there were name changes after apartheid ended, some were justified and others were gratuitous. There were rules to prevent gratuitous changes and they made sense. The problem always was when the sensible rules were flaunted and political mechanization FORCED name changes onto places. Quite recently call for submissions was made that I saw (having emigrated 10 years ago I don't usually see such activity) where a very popular large arterial road name was proposed to be changed to honour a Palestinian Freedom Fighter that had no connection with South Africa. This was a crude attempt to divide the country for political reasons and not to honour any local heroes.
The cost of your proposed name change is higher than you could imagine (It would affect EVERY county) and not worth the net zero PR results.
if i could ask the land itself what it would like to be called i would. I think that would take many years, however. Only a great shaman could do this.
G, change the name and the history goes away. Terror and slavery and profiteering off the sale of flesh need to forever be associated with Columbus and Vespucci's name. You would be doing the bidding of TPTSB in rewriting history for the winners, Not the losers. I M H O.
I agree.
This is one of the reasons 'we know nothing'........because of 'name changes'.
In particular, it's bugged me that we in the belly of the beast don't even have a name for ourselves. We are the default 'Americans' and everyone else on two continents needs to distinguish themselves from us. Otherwise are we United Statesians?
But my preference is that we start from small to name our own commonwealths, then move up from there in new configurations that are around the same size. That way we're not starting out with the legacies of conquest to determine what we are.
I vote that we change the name to Smorth Asmerica.
I voted no across the board.
I don't like what Vespucci did, or Columbus in his treatment of the original inhabitants. But name changing is "virtue signaling." It say we're better and we wouldn't do that. In that time and place we might have.
Keep the name and work together with indigenous people. Here in Canada we often stoke tension between the races by institutionalizing past grievances, when we are free to work together now. We have a grievance industry between native and whites that has nothing to do with respect or love. And there's a race-hustler industry too, huge.
You make good points.
Now that we have destroyed most of the natural wonder we are going to recognize Native people? It's gone. They're gone. It's over.
there is a LOT still left here. take a drive across Montana.
Or New Mexico…or a few miles from where I live inhabited by some of the survivors of the Sullivan campaign. Look it up for the details.
Thank you for this post. I was not aware of all the details of this horrible human being. Thanks for enlightening me. Absolutely if the Native Americans want to change the name then we should change the name. That would be a start. Same thing in South America I mean we’re not South Americans so we can’t make that decision for them, but perhaps they might want to consider it once they knew what country was founded on
I voted yes to all 3. I didn’t know where the word America came from & what was provided above is disgusting but not surprising. By changing the name we can start thinking of ourselves differently & maybe start making needed changes in our individual lives & society as a whole. Words have meaning & power, we should all be more mindful of this.
I voted "yes" because the brutal men who "discovered" the so-called Americas were horrible to the native Peoples here... VICIOUS. HORRIFIC. DESPICABLE. (Vespucci, Cortez, Columbus... et al)
So yes, it would be a good thing, I'd say. And I'd also say that perhaps we might poll some of the progeny of those Native Peoples, living today, and ask THEM what they might like the new name(s) to become...
"Turtle Island" is great, but... are we an "island," really?
I won't suggest any new names right now, I will think on it, but it does seem a good idea.