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I just discovered your substack. Love this topic. Been reading up on the history of medicine (both allo and alternative) and my impression right now is that allo has always been very destructive and built on lies. That changed in the early 20th century when some good science was able to move conventional medicine into noted effectiveness in certain areas. With the liars and cheaters now having taken over (both science and medicine) we've moved past peak medicine and are sliding.

Cannot be reinvented, and would be a waste of effort. I am hoping that acute care will hang on, that's where allo medicine shines (provided you can defend yourself from stupid or unnecessary interventions). I am focused on moving on, and learning as much as I can about chronic issues and various maladies and annoyances that crop up as one moves through life, most of which do not need allo doctors (who know very little about them anyway) but do need shared information among sufferers about what works. There is too much crap on the alternative side as well; too many people accepting hype. Needs collaborative sifting. :-)

I used to think that conventional medicine would open itself up to alternative practices, but have of late realized that was a pipe dream. And it's better so... we need a variety of systems, not da One Truth. Allo medicine was always totalitarian, "we know best and you know nothing," even in the days when they were worse at healing than many a folk healer or midwife. Thank you for hoeing this row!!!

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Greetings Erin,

I agree it was co-opted (comprehensively).

I appreciate you fleshing out the aspects of conventional industrial medicine worth saving (in some form or another).

Perhaps we will see some MD-s pick up the torch of herbal medicine and carry it into the halls of academia to burn down all the fallacies of big pharma and germ theory to create something worth while in it's place (but I am not holding my breath).

Rather, I advocate people learn what they can do for themselves and get to know people in their community outside of the industrial medical system that can provide emergency care if need be, as I feel that the centralized system not only should collapse, but will collapse, due to it's inherent fragility through dependency on weak synthetic chemical supply lines, an over worked archaic power infrastructure and an increasingly computer based hospital system open to being hacked or emp-ed.

Thanks for the detailed comment.

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In addition to trauma/ER doctors, id throw in radiologists and pathologists. Those last two, for the most part, are diagnostic fields and fall into the umbrella of information gathering.

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It can't happen fast enough! So many natural healing methods, nature healing, and a host of other forms of healing have been purposely suppressed to protect the "golden goose," aka Big Pharma profits. It's been said the pharmaceutical industry lobbying efforts dwarfs the military (somewhere in there is this insurance industry and I'm certain it's an incestuous relationship). Like Ivan Raiklin vying for the position of Secretary of Retribution, I vote Gavin to be the Secretary of Nature (a newly formed department).

Even though we have concurrent battles with neocons tripping over themselves to start a war, and the cabal trying to kickstart the next pandemic (see Sasha Latypova's Substack Due Diligence and Art "What does Moderna Know That Pfizer Doesn't"), all amidst another 'summer of election love,' re-inventing allopathic medicine is a worthy goal! I suspect the momentum is there and willing participants are rising up everywhere, given the responses on social media. If you don't take the leadership position, at least be on the executive decision-making team.

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Just read this article from a doctor and thought it fitting here.

“Oncology at the end of the twentieth century and early 21st century runs unethical trials with inappropriate control arms, poor post protocol care, bad crossover, and many other games, which makes companies rich and people poor. Cancer doctors take payments for these companies and go along with this narrative. The system is so rotten and corrupt and pervasive we can’t even recognize it as such.

History will view these are dark days. Where marginal drugs were given to dying people, government taxing poor people to pay for it, and doctors captured by companies to push these products, and everyone patting themselves on the back and the US bankrupts itself with inappropriate, harmful, useless care.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/sensiblemed/p/doctors-take-money-from-pharmaceutical?r=apljy&utm_medium=ios

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Thought of this post as I

Listened to this today. Specifically starting at 30:00 or there about. Her thoughts on Doctors.

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Great question Gavin and nice to see so much support of your viewpoints in the comments, too. I will reply with an anecdote from my personal life. My mom is in her 70s and has many health issues, for decades, as has been the norm in my FOO. She has heart disease and diabetes among other chronic issues and like most of her age and upbringing takes loads of pharmaceuticals everyday. In a conversation about one of her many hospital visits she assured me the doctor said she was doing very well. She does not like to talk about these things, but I pressed her just a bit. I asked—great Mom! And what does that mean, exactly? I was hoping she meant she was getting healthier on a good prescribed diet of wholesome foods and daily exercise. Nope! She meant doing well because she was taking all her meds and going to her appointments and getting the proper tests.

Moral of my story—most folks want someone to take care of them (especially when they are ill), they do not want ‘personal empowerment’ or to take care of their own health, and they think that’s what the ‘good doctors’ are doing, because they think that’s their job. The allopathic system needs to not only come down, it needs to come down with an international shock and awe so GINORMOUS that no one will perceive these crooks and charlatans to be good doctors anymore. IMHO. 😊

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I completely agree with getting rid of allopathic medical model, but we need to realise that it is only one of the arms of a toxic over reach in our entire society, based in corruption and complete lack of respect for life, our world and its people. Each of the arms is attached to an organism that is directly profiting a few, whether the arm be government, big Ag, big Pharma, big Tech or education, all of these systems are in place to create and ‘manage’ the supply of profit and do not have our well-being or best interests at heart. Watch, ‘new’ proposals will start appearing under the guise of wellness, mental health, the vulnerable, sustainability, climate all of it will be tied into gaming human life and social impact finance, human capital etc., more fun and games for the few. You won’t be told that though, you’ll be nudged and programmed by corporate media just like the plandemic.

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At the recent FLCCC conference (flccc.net - you can view for free), the theme was reinventing health care with the emphasis on health. Well worth watching. Several doctors have a different type of practice, you pay a fixed fee per month, you get visits as needed. The doctor is incentivized to keep you healthy as not to be overwhelmed. Of course if you insist on eating junk and neglecting your health the doctor can fired you.

Many of the FLCCC associated doctors, have re-learned medicine and reject a total allopathic approach. I think there is a movement to change from sick care to health care making the patient a partner in the process.

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I spent 30 years as a Paramedic in a very urban environment. As the awe wore off and the excitement waned I saw more clearly how the medical system was serving every member of society. Seeing the process from the home to the ER and back again was eye opening. Watching the lack of care and empathy in myself and others build was frightening. The system is designed to crus your spirit and how you feel about fellow humans. This is commonly called burnout. Watching people being treated like the hospital was doing them a favor and the god like doctors were ascending down from their thrones to bless those non doctor serfs with their knowledge and treatment, all the while not listening to them and withholding information and treatment as punishment for not bowing to the Almighty. Granted not all staff were like this but if you haven't experienced an urban er in a busy city with a low socioeconomic situation, you might think I am just bitter. Initially in my career I had planned on becoming a Dr. It only took a few years for me to realize I could not be that person. The current system sickens me. I am disgusted by the encounters I have. The way I'm treated and listened to is not the way it should be. I have some long stories but I see the Cardiologist because I think the yearly follow up is interesting. We disagree on treatments and I don't comply with some of his recommendations. My PCP is great but I see him for blood work and a yearly. I pay out of pocket for a functional medicine Dr who I feel like actually treats me as an entire being. The current system of Maternalistic/Paternalistic medicine that casts out the fringe thinkers is burning to the ground. I don't think you can rebuild it. I hope something better rises from the ashes. I'm not sure it can be fixed without a total collapse. If we were to fix it, who would fund the process? Who would but in to the new ideas? There is so much money tied up in this, until that is not THE driving force and health is, it's beyond help. I feel like cattle, an object in a factory, a part on an assembly line. Our medical system does for me all it can derive profit from. It stops there. The Dr's care and empathy stops at the 7 minutes the insurance is paying them for. This is why I pay for my own care if I really need help. I use a hybrid of insurance docs to get the labs and stuff done for my functional doc who actually uses the information to help me. The system is doomed. I'm sorry but I cannot begin to put my thoughts on this into the small orange box I'm typing into. Sometimes things just have to be said aloud.

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Thanks for that vivid, illuminating, poignant and astute comment. Also, thanks for sharing your first hand experience. You pose some excellent questions, I shall ponder them.

Being someone that shows up when people are unable to help themselves and helps them to feel safe, care for their wounds and takes them to a place where they can hopefully heal is an honorable path and a sacred service to provide your community. I am sure that many who you helped were (and are) grateful for what you did for them.

If I imagine an ideal someone that knows more than me about the human body (which I would be happy to pay or barter with for their services) to help me in tough situations, it would be someone that has the physical skills and knowledge of a paramedic/chiropractor, the nutritional knowledge of an Auravedic/TCM practitioner, the herbal wisdom of a druid or other indigenous medicine woman or man and someone that truly knows themself (as a physical and spiritual being).

Some of the most important techniques, tools and knowledge which makes up the small part of allopathic medicine that I feel is worth saving are many of the things paramedics learn and carry with them. Mind you, I might prefer to substitute the typically used synthetic antibiotic topical antiseptics for something like this https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/sacredsevensalve? and/or do things like use Yarrow poultices to stop excessive bleeding before sowing up wounds etc.

I have also experienced the lack of empathy you describe here in Canada where we are supposed to have "free" healthcare and also seen the programming where doctors are eager to prescribe heavy duty opioids, gnarly antibiotics and super expensive synthetic antivirals.

Have you ever tried using yarrow in bleeding wounds (to stop bleeding and provide antiseptic benefits) ?

I find it super helpful to carry some dried foliage and flowers in my first aid kit along with my bandages etc.

Thanks again for the comment my friend.

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I haven't tried Yarrow but based on your recommendation to Edward I should have some delivered tomorrow. I also didn't pull any of my Plantain or Comfrey. I'm still in the infant stages of trying to figure out what to do with everything, TBH I never even thought of a First Aid kit with dried herbs. I do think having an ability to treat acute illness and injury is very valuable then to transfer to herbalism/homeopathy for chronic. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have been talking your substack up to everyone who'll listen. Hope somebody signs on and orders the book. Be well.

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PS- Yarrow is especially beneficial as a companion plant for Paw Paw trees so I highly recommend getting some established in the proximity of where you plan on planting the seeds I am gonna send you this fall.

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Right on man! Ya yarrow is a winner all around, great for attracting beneficial predator insects, pollinators, delicious in tea and great for first aid situations.

Ya the dried herbs thing in a first aid kit sounds like 'a less effective than pharmaceutical grade substances approach' to some at first glance, but when it comes to yarrow the alkaloid phytochemical from the plant (called achillein) reduces the clotting time of blood very effectively.

Comfrey is great in salves and poultices for broken bones. I have yet to work with plantain myself but I have heard good things.

Thanks for recommending my substack to people you talk to, I appreciate it.

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Wow. You articulated everything I came to say. Thank you. And thank you for your service.

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Thank you very much!!

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Allopathic medicine is good for a few things. Big pharma pushes poison that only masks problems, doesn't heal and it causes unwanted side effects for most. Before herbalism was demonized by those who pushed allopathic medicine, herbalism was practiced and it worked far better than allopathic medicine.

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Big Pharma run medicine treats symptoms, which are the body trying to heal itself. So basically it is designed to stop the body from healing itself.

That seems like a bad strategy to me so dropping it altogether seems like a fine idea.

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The line where allopathic medicine no longer becomes useful is where acute becomes chronic. Lets use it to fix broken bones, not broken systems.

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Great question, Gavin. Three quick thoughts: 1) To me, the very name "allopathy" signifies that it's not worth preserving. "Allopathy," which Hahnemann coined to distinguish it from homeopathy, is designed to treat symptoms, not to address the root causes of illness. Thus the hamster-wheel nature of it: take this drug for your headache; take a second one to deal with the symptom created by the first drug; etc etc etc, around we go. This is not medicine, because this is not actual healing.

2) I think the only piece of modern health"care" worth saving is the mechanical stuff. Modern medicine is really good at chopping, slicing, re-routing, rototilling, and sewing. The rest of it is just naming "incurable" illnesses with fancy names and prescribing addictive chemicals with more fancy names.

3) I'd like to go back to the ancient Chinese system of only paying my doctor when I'm WELL, and stopping payment when I fall sick. Seems to incentivize action in the correct direction, no?

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I agree. They are good at the mechanical stuff. I have seen first hand evidence of that. Their drugs are not only something we don't need, they are harmful across the board.

I like the Chinese system you mention. Big Pharma makes money keeping you sick and nothing when you are healthy. And speaking of first hand evidence we know how honourable they are in that context.

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This kind of article drew me to your site originally. While I appreciate your articles about plants and cooking with them, some are beyond my scope of capabilities.

I agree with you that I find very little worth in allopathic medicine. Antibiotics have been overused to the extent of being almost worthless. Patients and doctors shoulder the blame.

I don't see any major changes in my lifetime. Humanity has to find a bottom much slimier than it currently is before they will do anything different. I must admit that I still eat some things that I know are not good for me, but I have made massive changes: no processed oil except olive oil and coconut oil, and I never heat the olive oil. I also use lard and butter. I avoid ultraprocessed food and corn syrup, fructose, anything that has been bioengineered, and chemicals. I eat as much organic food as possible, buying meat from a local farmer (I know how he raises his animals) and grow a small vegetable garden and have my own chickens for eggs. We seldom go to restaurants as there are none in my area that I trust to serve clean food. I am blessed that I can afford to pay $75 for 5 lbs. of organic blueberries.

However, almost everyone I know is either ignorant about food and/or wants to remain that way. They are convinced they can't afford to eat better, but think nothing about spending $30 for a mediocre restaurant meal. They blanch when I tell them I would prefer to spend $30 for one chicken.

And all of the above applies to medicine. My peers go to the allopathic doctors more in a month than I do in a decade. They take prescription drugs by the handful and dismiss vitamin D. Almost all took the jab and several boosters.

I know I am in the minority, and for that reason I think the death of allopathic medicine will be slow and painful. I'm sorry I won't be around for its demise.

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Allopathic medicine has, in my view, nothing to offer. Its foundation, as you have eloquently expressed, is a paradigm that is antithetical to life and seeks to dominate nature. As one who experienced a broken bone during the plandemic lockdowns, I would not give western medicine any props for setting broken bones either. I think we can do far better for all the types of ills and accidents we suffer by returning to the way medicine was done hundreds of years ago. I'm not sure anything of great value has been learned since then.

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