To equate it to a religion has got to be among the most effective parallels. I think we need some funny memes along those lines, spread them around. Thanks for putting into such patient words what should and would normally be so obvious.
I agree, it really is mind boggling how absurd and counter-intuitive the religion of Statism is once you take a step back and see it for what it is. People really have a hard time doing that though, I suppose it is a bit like trying to explain the nature of an aquarium to fish in a zoo. The aquarium may be all they have ever known, so to them, it is not a sick system that facilitates the commodification of their existence so that hubristic and apathetic humans can profit from their confinement, but rather the aquarium is just "normal". Sort of like how most people think involuntary governance is "normal" (despite the fact that it is a system that treats them like factory farm animals to have profits extracted from and then to be slaughtered at will) it is all they have ever known, so they have no frame of reference to see how disturbing and immoral that form of existence and system of parasitic oppression really is. It took the scamdemic(s) to really slap me in the face and invite me to take a step back from my indoctrination to really see the system for what it is.
I appreciate your comment, as always, thanks for your input.
Years ago Kirkpatrick Sale suggested loyalty be directed towards the watershed where one resides. The nation state is an envelope which serves the purpose of enforcing ruling class dominance over the great majority of toilers who are educated from childhood to loyally serve their own oppression including lending their bodies to fight the rich men’s wars.
I like that idea of loyalty to the watershed where one resides, though I also feel moved to try and stand up for the ancient and endangered forest ecosystems that exist elsewhere in "Canada" and on Earth, so i suppose it is about finding a balance between the both. Thanks for the comment.
Thanks for the response, so you read my essay on the rise of anthropocentirsm?
Do you personally embrace a humanocentric perspective about our place in the universe/Creation? (As in, do you see humans as the most important beings in the universe second to God and Jesus?).
I never mentioned Christ as being “a problem” by the way, Jesus of Nazareth was a very humble, compassionate, wise and couragious man, if people lived by his example and treated neighbours as they want to be treated (including our non-human neighbours and elders in the more than human aspects of Creation, such as trees) I would not have had to write that essay as the people who came here to Turtle Island would have respected the forests, rivers and mountains as kin.
“Traditional cultures who sit beneath the white pines recognize that human people are only one manifestation of intelligence in the living world. Other beings, from Otters to Ash trees, are understood as persons, possessed of their own gifts, responsibilities, and intentions. This is not some kind of mistaken anthropomorphism. Trees are not misconstrued as leaf-wearing humans but respected as unique, sovereign beings equal to or exceeding the power of humans. Seneca scholar John Mohawk wrote that according to his culture, “an individual is not smart […] but merely lucky to be part of a system that has intelligence. Be humble about this. The real intelligence isn’t the property of an individual; the real intelligence is the property of the universe itself.”
The Indigenous story tradition speaks of a past in which all beings spoke the same language and life lessons flowed among species. But we have forgotten—or been made to forget—how to listen so that all we hear is sound, emptied of its meaning. The soft sibilance of pine needles in the wind is an acoustic signature of pines. But this well-known “whispering of pines” is just a sound, it is not their voice.
What if you were a great teacher, a holder of knowledge and vessel of stories, but had no audible voice with which to speak? What if your listeners presumed you to be mute, save for the passive whispering of your needles? How would you bring your truth into the world? Wouldn’t you dance your story in branch and root? Wouldn’t you write it in the eloquence of cellulose? In the lasting archive of wood? Plants tell their stories not by what they say but by what they do. They tell their story in their bodies, in an alphabet once as familiar as the song of every bird, which we have also forgotten, as we became afflicted not only with plant blindness but plant deafness as well.
If you know how to see, their storytelling goes deeper than the curve of a windward branch. Everything that affects the pine is expressed in its body. The tree is an integrator of all its experience and that of the surrounding community.
The Colonizers brought a religion that made God in the image of man, humans alone were perceived to have the capacity for reason, for sentience, for choice, for language. But long before that error was promulgated, people knew the trees were storytellers. But then we forgot. Or were made to forget by the ones who chased divinity out of the forest and forced it into the sky. The stories of trees were erased from our knowing…
…We literate folks take for granted that abstract little marks, in repeated patterns on a sheet of cellulose paper, a tree body, can be decoded to make meaning. Even if those black marks are arrayed in a form we don’t understand like Chinese characters, Anishinaabe pictographs, or cuneiform marks on a clay tablet, nonetheless we still recognize them as writing. The very fact of the patterned marks on the page, the systematic recording and interpretation of lived experience, is evidence of intelligence, whether we can read them or not. We don’t dismiss them as meaningless just because we don’t understand; we go looking for the Rosetta stone. Unless of course, those texts are written by a tree.
The story of intelligences other than our own is one of continual expansion. I am not aware of a single research study that demonstrates that other beings are dumber than we think. Octopi solve puzzles, chickadees create language, crows make tools, rats feel anxiety, elephants mourn, parrots do calculus, apes read symbols, nematodes navigate, and honeybees dance the results of cost-benefit analysis of sucrose rewards like an economic ballet. Even the slime mold can learn a maze, enduring toxic obstacles to obtain the richest reward. The blinders are coming off, and the definition of intelligence expands every time we ask the question“
Ya lost me when one of those authors wrote that Aborigines are denied the opportunity to take their place in "western Judeo-Christian culture, the most superior culture to have arisen on the planet," although turning aboriginal land settlements into permanent slums did certainly come to pass.
yes, I skipped over that part myself... however, what it truly eludes to is the concept of the British Colonialism to constantly divide and conquer with such manipulative style.... The Green New Deal was invented and so was the 'environmentalism' out of Prince Philip's and now King Charles' World Wildlife Federation.
So the purpose behind these moves was intentional 'divide & conquer' just like they did many times before with the Bolsheviks, the Uyghurs, the Chinese and the opium crisis... and much much more episodes of control manipulations.
But this is not a dive you may want to take... I'm personally loving the focus of Gavin's writings, they inspire a sense of purposeful living and ecology of humanity with our connection to nature.... this settles my heart a lot!
When people tell me it is good to be proud of your country, I ask them if they are equally ashamed for all the bad things their country has done. It makes no sense, you are just a tax slave, made to cheer on command but when you dig deeper, you'll hit apathy or denial. I always felt it was so hypocritical, especially when talking to Americans. All these isms create blindspots in thinking; the best thing to do is to remove them and be a critical individual.
It's cause there isn't any thinking going on. People simply absorb their entire worldview from indoctrination and propaganda. Anyone that actually does exert an iota of independent, critical thought inevitably realizes it's all a big scam, a tyranny, an extortion racket.
Pretty close to my own thoughts about Australia. I have no loyalty to this paedo nation. Even some majority indigenous populations, such as Ireland and South Korea, are crushed by their soulless state powers.
I love this. I used to 'be proud' to be a Canadian. Now all I see is corruption, deceit and manipulation. I don't 'identify' as Canadian (or anything else lol). I've removed myself from the voting registrys (they don't 'represent' me) and look forward to the day I can figure out how to stop paying taxes.
It was my thought to say in that comment that the government is not the country. I like to keep them short. The country is the people the places and the culture. The government is a corrupt corporatocracy that does not represent its constituents and is therefore illegitimate. There are other reasons to label it illegitimate but that is number one. It can be applied to most western governments. I can only think of one exception, Hungary and Viktor Orban. There may be others.
Trudeau himself has committed millions of egregious violations of human rights. Again amoung other things but coercing the country into taking the death jab, killing and maiming countless people makes me think we could make him a special exception and impose the death penalty. He is a treasonous globalist.
Get wise to the statism deception:
https://soberchristiangentlemanpodcast.substack.com/p/s1-statism-deception-3-of-3-rebroadcast
To equate it to a religion has got to be among the most effective parallels. I think we need some funny memes along those lines, spread them around. Thanks for putting into such patient words what should and would normally be so obvious.
I agree, it really is mind boggling how absurd and counter-intuitive the religion of Statism is once you take a step back and see it for what it is. People really have a hard time doing that though, I suppose it is a bit like trying to explain the nature of an aquarium to fish in a zoo. The aquarium may be all they have ever known, so to them, it is not a sick system that facilitates the commodification of their existence so that hubristic and apathetic humans can profit from their confinement, but rather the aquarium is just "normal". Sort of like how most people think involuntary governance is "normal" (despite the fact that it is a system that treats them like factory farm animals to have profits extracted from and then to be slaughtered at will) it is all they have ever known, so they have no frame of reference to see how disturbing and immoral that form of existence and system of parasitic oppression really is. It took the scamdemic(s) to really slap me in the face and invite me to take a step back from my indoctrination to really see the system for what it is.
I appreciate your comment, as always, thanks for your input.
Years ago Kirkpatrick Sale suggested loyalty be directed towards the watershed where one resides. The nation state is an envelope which serves the purpose of enforcing ruling class dominance over the great majority of toilers who are educated from childhood to loyally serve their own oppression including lending their bodies to fight the rich men’s wars.
@includeMeOut
I like that idea of loyalty to the watershed where one resides, though I also feel moved to try and stand up for the ancient and endangered forest ecosystems that exist elsewhere in "Canada" and on Earth, so i suppose it is about finding a balance between the both. Thanks for the comment.
Get wise to the statism deception:
https://soberchristiangentlemanpodcast.substack.com/p/s1-statism-deception-3-of-3-rebroadcast
He seems to be pretty wise to the statism deception already.
What are your thoughts on the role of Christianity and the Church which I highlighted in this essay:
https://gavinmounsey.substack.com/p/the-rise-of-anthropocentrism-bright?
The answer is simple, that scarcity is a control structure. I expand in this podcast, I am about to post. CHRIST IS NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.
Thanks for the response, so you read my essay on the rise of anthropocentirsm?
Do you personally embrace a humanocentric perspective about our place in the universe/Creation? (As in, do you see humans as the most important beings in the universe second to God and Jesus?).
I never mentioned Christ as being “a problem” by the way, Jesus of Nazareth was a very humble, compassionate, wise and couragious man, if people lived by his example and treated neighbours as they want to be treated (including our non-human neighbours and elders in the more than human aspects of Creation, such as trees) I would not have had to write that essay as the people who came here to Turtle Island would have respected the forests, rivers and mountains as kin.
“Traditional cultures who sit beneath the white pines recognize that human people are only one manifestation of intelligence in the living world. Other beings, from Otters to Ash trees, are understood as persons, possessed of their own gifts, responsibilities, and intentions. This is not some kind of mistaken anthropomorphism. Trees are not misconstrued as leaf-wearing humans but respected as unique, sovereign beings equal to or exceeding the power of humans. Seneca scholar John Mohawk wrote that according to his culture, “an individual is not smart […] but merely lucky to be part of a system that has intelligence. Be humble about this. The real intelligence isn’t the property of an individual; the real intelligence is the property of the universe itself.”
The Indigenous story tradition speaks of a past in which all beings spoke the same language and life lessons flowed among species. But we have forgotten—or been made to forget—how to listen so that all we hear is sound, emptied of its meaning. The soft sibilance of pine needles in the wind is an acoustic signature of pines. But this well-known “whispering of pines” is just a sound, it is not their voice.
What if you were a great teacher, a holder of knowledge and vessel of stories, but had no audible voice with which to speak? What if your listeners presumed you to be mute, save for the passive whispering of your needles? How would you bring your truth into the world? Wouldn’t you dance your story in branch and root? Wouldn’t you write it in the eloquence of cellulose? In the lasting archive of wood? Plants tell their stories not by what they say but by what they do. They tell their story in their bodies, in an alphabet once as familiar as the song of every bird, which we have also forgotten, as we became afflicted not only with plant blindness but plant deafness as well.
If you know how to see, their storytelling goes deeper than the curve of a windward branch. Everything that affects the pine is expressed in its body. The tree is an integrator of all its experience and that of the surrounding community.
The Colonizers brought a religion that made God in the image of man, humans alone were perceived to have the capacity for reason, for sentience, for choice, for language. But long before that error was promulgated, people knew the trees were storytellers. But then we forgot. Or were made to forget by the ones who chased divinity out of the forest and forced it into the sky. The stories of trees were erased from our knowing…
…We literate folks take for granted that abstract little marks, in repeated patterns on a sheet of cellulose paper, a tree body, can be decoded to make meaning. Even if those black marks are arrayed in a form we don’t understand like Chinese characters, Anishinaabe pictographs, or cuneiform marks on a clay tablet, nonetheless we still recognize them as writing. The very fact of the patterned marks on the page, the systematic recording and interpretation of lived experience, is evidence of intelligence, whether we can read them or not. We don’t dismiss them as meaningless just because we don’t understand; we go looking for the Rosetta stone. Unless of course, those texts are written by a tree.
The story of intelligences other than our own is one of continual expansion. I am not aware of a single research study that demonstrates that other beings are dumber than we think. Octopi solve puzzles, chickadees create language, crows make tools, rats feel anxiety, elephants mourn, parrots do calculus, apes read symbols, nematodes navigate, and honeybees dance the results of cost-benefit analysis of sucrose rewards like an economic ballet. Even the slime mold can learn a maze, enduring toxic obstacles to obtain the richest reward. The blinders are coming off, and the definition of intelligence expands every time we ask the question“
-Robin Wall Kimmerer
A link you might like:
https://www.ecoticias.com/en/coca-cola-energy-hydrogen/5934/
This is the first part, there is more coming. I like your essay. Lots of good stuff there.
Response 1:
https://soberchristiangentlemanpodcast.substack.com/p/gavin-response-1
The worship of nation states is nothing more than the worship of psychopathy, and ones own enslavement to evil.
If all believed and behaved as you do, the war machine / greedy bloodthirsty war lords, would be extinct - not the First Peoples & their way of life.
I also read Kevin Annett's stuff on the Kamloops genocides... horrible stuff much like what happened here in Aus from 1788-present.
http://murderbydecree.com/
Documentary (108 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czej73SfYJc
Who can possibly pledge loyalty to those who commit such horrors on our fellow man?
You may want to look at this piece April 1995 Executive Intelligence Review:
https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1995/eirv22n18-19950428/index.html
Ya lost me when one of those authors wrote that Aborigines are denied the opportunity to take their place in "western Judeo-Christian culture, the most superior culture to have arisen on the planet," although turning aboriginal land settlements into permanent slums did certainly come to pass.
yes, I skipped over that part myself... however, what it truly eludes to is the concept of the British Colonialism to constantly divide and conquer with such manipulative style.... The Green New Deal was invented and so was the 'environmentalism' out of Prince Philip's and now King Charles' World Wildlife Federation.
https://larouchepub.com/other/2021/4807-prince_charles_invented_green_nd.html
So the purpose behind these moves was intentional 'divide & conquer' just like they did many times before with the Bolsheviks, the Uyghurs, the Chinese and the opium crisis... and much much more episodes of control manipulations.
But this is not a dive you may want to take... I'm personally loving the focus of Gavin's writings, they inspire a sense of purposeful living and ecology of humanity with our connection to nature.... this settles my heart a lot!
When people tell me it is good to be proud of your country, I ask them if they are equally ashamed for all the bad things their country has done. It makes no sense, you are just a tax slave, made to cheer on command but when you dig deeper, you'll hit apathy or denial. I always felt it was so hypocritical, especially when talking to Americans. All these isms create blindspots in thinking; the best thing to do is to remove them and be a critical individual.
It's cause there isn't any thinking going on. People simply absorb their entire worldview from indoctrination and propaganda. Anyone that actually does exert an iota of independent, critical thought inevitably realizes it's all a big scam, a tyranny, an extortion racket.
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Pretty close to my own thoughts about Australia. I have no loyalty to this paedo nation. Even some majority indigenous populations, such as Ireland and South Korea, are crushed by their soulless state powers.
Wow - printed and saved as pdf - seems as though substack is giving me 'strange' too many requests messages and I do not wish to see this post lost...
Thank you for this message!
I love this. I used to 'be proud' to be a Canadian. Now all I see is corruption, deceit and manipulation. I don't 'identify' as Canadian (or anything else lol). I've removed myself from the voting registrys (they don't 'represent' me) and look forward to the day I can figure out how to stop paying taxes.
No western governments represent their people, all western governments are illegitimate.
You can hate your government, they don't serve you anyway, and still love your country.
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts my friend.
How do you define the thing you are describing as a "country"? and how do you delineate that entity from the government ?
It was my thought to say in that comment that the government is not the country. I like to keep them short. The country is the people the places and the culture. The government is a corrupt corporatocracy that does not represent its constituents and is therefore illegitimate. There are other reasons to label it illegitimate but that is number one. It can be applied to most western governments. I can only think of one exception, Hungary and Viktor Orban. There may be others.
Trudeau himself has committed millions of egregious violations of human rights. Again amoung other things but coercing the country into taking the death jab, killing and maiming countless people makes me think we could make him a special exception and impose the death penalty. He is a treasonous globalist.